Ten Verses Never Preached On

How about Malachi 2:3?

“Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces…” (KJV)

Yes, that’s the LORD talking. Watch out.

Michael, that’s a great one. I didn’t know about that. The best part is that its not only on your face, but on your kids’ faces too. Wow.

That’s great — #3 is definitely my favourite.

How could you forget about:

“They asked, “What is the indemnity that we should pay to Him?” They answered, “Five golden hemorrhoids and five golden mice, corresponding to the number of lords of the Philistines; for the same plague struck all of you and your lords. You shall make figures of your hemorrhoids and of the mice that are ravaging your land; thus you shall honor the God of Israel, and perhaps He will lighten the weight of His hand upon you and your gods and your land.” [I Samuel 6:4-5]

thank you for this.

Where’s Malachi 2:3? you can’t make a list of “funny” bible verses without that

Sadly enough, in my Christian days, I *did* hear some of these punishment verses preached on.

Scare the kids!

No funny list would be complete without Genesis 27:11, “And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man.”

Or how about this sage advice, “Men prepare a meal for enjoyment, and wine makes life merry, and (U)money is the answer to everything” (Ecclesiastes 10:19).

Lastly, all good Christians should boldly stand on the promises of God, “They who seek my life will be destroyed; they will go down to the depths of the earth. They will be given over to the sword and become food for jackals” (Psalm 63:9-10).

Good list, though.

Zipporah cut off her son’s foreskin with a flint?

Wow! Now We know where Zippo came up with their corporate name?

#7 doesn’t belong on this list – it has been preached tremendously since the 18th century. The story of Onan is the major (and very, very flawed) basis for the widespread Christian stance against masturbation.

i actually had #1 made into a bumper sticker years ago. along with one that said, “Abortions are a gift from science.” i got some funny looks from those. i think i need #3 on a sticker for my new car.

I have a friend who wrote a song about #10, “Go On, You Baldhead”. Catchy tune.

your translation of Judges 3:21 is Horrible!

a better one (and one that jives with the multiple translations i have here, yay being a religious studies major):

“Ehud reached with his left hand, took the dagger from his right side, and plunged it into Eglon’s belly. 22 Even the handle went in after the blade. Eglon’s fat covered the blade because Ehud didn’t pull the dagger out. The blade stuck out in back. 23 Ehud left the room. (He had closed and locked the doors of the room before he left.) 24 After Ehud went out, Eglon’s advisers came in. They were surprised that the doors were locked. “He must be using the toilet,” they said.”

Not as funny when it’s correct, is it?

Still, loved 99% of them.

I get the feeling that #1 is actually saying woman shouldn’t hit guys in the junk….even to protect her husband.

Anyone else get this?

How can you love 99% of 10 things?

And Kelli, yeah, that’s what I read in it.

2 Kings 18:27
But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? [hath he] not [sent me] to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

The same verse appears almost word for word in

Isaiah 36:12
But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? [hath he] not [sent me] to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

If anyone knows what the hell this is all about, could you drop a hint or two?

My favorite has always been 1 Timothy 2:15a

“But (women) shall be saved through childbearing.” Now THAT’S the kind of verse you can really start a cult around!

This one is funny too…

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27

Oh, wait that isn’t funny…10 out of 10 people die…

As a Christian, if I am wrong, then I die and nothing happens…..if atheists are wrong (and they are), then eternity is a long time to be wrong…

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27

Landoverbaptist.org has part of #3 on a T-shirt. It looks really good on a tanktop, across the pulchritude of whichever heathen you can find to wear it.

well by not loving 1% of the 10 things. it is all very simple

You might enjoy the album “Wormwood” by The Residents. It’s a collection of songs based on some of the starnger stories in the Bible.
Great list.

“And the LORD sayest to thou, ‘Go Fark Yourself!’”

Curtiscles 12:06

Hmmmmm….
9 from the Old Testament (Law and Prophets).
1 from the New Testament.
Just an observation.

Again the Bible affirms that God has dealt with imperfect people throughout the ages, has used quite strong and vivid language to communicate His point, and has been rather tolerant (this side of the grave anyway) of a whole lot of crap that His chosen people dished out. Or, cut out.

“And God said behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the face of all the Earth. To you it shall be for meat.”
The American Cannabis Society (glibly) quotes this all the time ^_^

Tim, it seems to me that having faith simply as a backup plan is a bit hypocritcal.

Tim. Seriously, you should probably kill yourself.
Just a suggestion though.
Also, I’m athiest, and I’m not wrong, I’m logical.

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. (Deut 10:19?)

Leviticus 18:22 good news bible

“No man should have sexual realations whith another man. God hates that”

Oh Tim, if only you realized that a life spent believing in fairy tales and ignorance is like an eternity in hell. I imagine if there is a God, when I die I’ll be sent back to Earth, but as a Southern Baptist.

Hehee people still read the bible literally =D

i like the parts where it talks of gods with an ‘s’ not just a god hehee

anyways, 2012 is gonna be great. Nothing will happen, the world will not become spiritually awakened =) enjoy exsisting while i enjoy living.

How about the bathroom scripture?
Jeremiah 4:19 KJV

I have a friend who used the the 2 Kings verse in a talk that we did at the youth group we help out at…

Him and I were doing a talk on building community and we used that verse as an entertaining lead into mocking and cutdowns…

It was actually a perfect verse because everyone was trying to figure out where in the heck it came from…

Found it rather entertaining that it made its way onto this list….

Logic is a pretty pink flower, that smells bad.

I cannot logically prove or disprove of the existence of aliens, so how can I believe in your doG? I keep hoping that all the myriad digital cameras and camera-equipped cellphones will yield some inarguable proof, but no. Same with the miracles – no pillars of fire, no parting seas, nothing. Just death.

Hey! that’s me!

d4_t3h_gr8:

It’s amazing how many Bible thumping literalist Christians ignore this text while swilling burgers and steaks.

Truly God is great and the bible is His word.
No wait, not that THAT bible, the new one… oh wait, I mean MOST of the new one… er, well, parts of it anyway….
What I MEANT to say was, that SOME parts of the NEW bible are the word of God and are irrefutable Truth.
That first one was er um, a dry run, er, a transcription error…

The new one really is the word of God, the parts that are batshiat-crazy are in there to um… test out faith! ya that’s it.

Several notes:

#5: I’d translate Zippy’s line as, “You are a bloodthirsty *******!” (She was pissed at him).

#1: It means that a woman should never grab a man’s nuts to gain the upper hand over him; it is a most heinous crime. Even if she’s grabbing one guys balls to save the life of another guy, uh-uh. Donn do it.

Deuteronomy 22:28, 29
“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”

Wonderful, eh? Rape victims are sentenced to a lifetime of more rape, being sold to their attacker.

Ezekiel 4:12-15 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

Public Domain

12And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

13And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.

14Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.

15Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

What about John 21:3?

Simon Peter said to them, “I’m going fishing.” They told him, “We are also coming with you.” They immediately went out, and entered into the boat. That night, they caught nothing.

I heard a speaker use that once in his speech. He said something like “I always try to live my life according to the Bible, especially John 21:3″ Went home and looked it up, had a good chuckle.

What a joy it is to be able to see the whole of the Bible and laugh, cry, gasp and enjoy. That is a God worth finding out more about!

I was a bit surprised, but pleased, to see Mark 14:51-52 included in the list.

Scholars have long puzzled over this verse–who is the “young man?” Why did the author include this little tidbit?

It’s pretty much contextless; there doesn’t appear to be any reason in the story to include this. We never hear anything futher about this young man, he plays no other role in the story. And, he is not mentioned in any other gospel’s account of the events of Jesus’s arrest.

This has led some scholars to conclude that the young man is in fact the author of Mark, that the author of Mark is telling his readers that he was there, in the garden with Jesus on the night that Jesus was arrested. This would make Mark’s gospel the only eyewitness account of the events of Jesus’s death, which is pretty interesting if you think about it.

Therefore, I think Mark 14:51-52 is one of the more interesting Bible verses out there, and it might be good for preachers to make a references to it every once and a while, if only to spark some scholarly interest among their congregants.

ased, to see Mark 14:51-52 included in the list.

Scholars have long puzzled over this verse–who is the “young man?” Why did the author include this little tidbit?

It’s pretty much contextless; there doesn’t appear to be any reason in the story to include this. We never hear anything futher about this young man, he plays no other role in the story. And, he is not mentioned in any other gosp

1 Sam 25:22
22So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.

I take this one to mean a euphemism that is like a saying I heard in the military referring to the male anatomy. In reference to “every swinging d***” referring to the male anatomy.

Ross:
“Truly God is great and the bible is His word.”
Actually, The bible is not his word. Jesus is the Word. See John1:1.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.”
The bible reveals the living Word to us. It is the story of God and his people (and that is all people, not just Israel).

Regarding the Mark 14:51-52 verse, this is not the only place that Mark puts in ‘unnecessary’ information. In Mark 4:38, Mark says that Jesus was asleep in the back of the boat, on a pillow. Is the pillow somehow important or is it just to add to the story a little bit of detail?

I personally love how the old testement refered to “feet” and “water of the feet” etc to reffer to the Penis & urin, so on.

hence, Ruth lying at the foot of her brother-in-law’s bed, and the next day he marries her….
I always get SUCH a kick out of it when my grandma doesn’t understand just how NAUGHTY the O.T. is.

/ahh, the beauties of Religious Studies major
//and yes, i still think the whole dagger verse is funny, just not AS funny as this verse writer was trying to make it out to be, hance 99%.

When we’re out in public and children are causing inappropriate mayhem while their parents watch and say “kids will be kids, don’t you just love them?” I think of this one:

Ps 137:9
Blessed is he who takes thy little ones and dashes them against a rock.

Mark chapter 8

Then He came to Bethsaida; and they brought a blind man to Him, and begged Him to touch him. 23 So He took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the town. And when He had spit on his eyes and put His hands on him, He asked him if he saw anything.
24 And he looked up and said, “I see men like trees, walking.”
25 Then He put His hands on his eyes again and made him look up. And he was restored and saw everyone clearly. 26 Then He sent him away to his house, saying, “Neither go into the town, nor tell anyone in the town.”

I also think this is kinda funny, may be construed as Jesus having to redo a miracle of sight. He also tells the guy to stay away from everone and tell nobody. Sort of contradictory to the whole ‘spread the word’ thing.

Gray letters on a black background? It’s illegible!

Digknot:

Anything can be a god—those bible verses refer specifically to the use of material items and/or pleasures to replace God. People use money/things as a god all of the time, and we’re brought up to believe that way..

‘Keeping up with the Joneses’…’Climbing the Corporate Ladder’…’He who dies with the most toys wins’.

That’s all putting material life ahead of the Lord; something He specifically tells us repeatedly not to do.

As to the ‘list of verses not preached’. Many of theses are laws intended to separate the Isrealites (God’s chosen People) from the rest of us. Others are punishments inflicted by the Lord on those who oppose the Israelites.

Ezekiel is an entire book of prophecy, you have to look at things in that light. Your David story–Saul knew David was going to succeed him–was supposed to kill him, and he was trying to kill David first.

Taking the Word out of context is very easy for detractors to do; in fact, it’s your primary means of attempting to subvert the Word. Sorry, it doesn’t work.

The dirt or feces translations for what came out on the end of the dagger is supported by the hebrew version, your version that edits it out is the minority.

POOP indeed was on the blade.

Zecheriah 5 v.1 (KJV)
And lo, I looked and I beheld a flying roll

Max, read the WHOLE PSALM..

That verse refers to those who take the infants of Babylon and dashes them against the rocks. The writing of this Psalm refers to a time when the Israelites were captives of Babylon. Killing the children of your captives

The immediately preceeding verse is:

Psalm 137:8

“O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.”

it makes complete sense now..

This is all good reason to read the Catholic Bible (pre 1960s).

How about;
KJV) 1 Corinthians 14:34 It is a shame for women to speak in the churches.
Or;
KJV) Isaiah 3:12 [As for] my people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them.
Or;
KJV) 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Bears in the Bible=awesome-ness

Judy…

Don’t you think that if you’re going to be an atheist, you should learn to spell it?

Josh, a question…what is the NET version? I was curious where your translation from Ezekiel 23:19 comes from, and it links to the ESV version which is a little different

thanks

He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent. 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father and told his two brothers outside. 23 Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned backward, and they did not see their father’s nakedness. 24 When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,

“Cursed be Canaan;
a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers.”

it appears noah was an alchy

also the wording of gods covenant with noah suggests to me that god wasnt in fact sorry for killing everyone but rather said he wouldnt do it again cos noah made him a nice barbeque….

Proverbs 25:16

Do you like honey?
Don’t eat too much, or it will make you sick!

See, after reading some of the lesser known verses of our modern times its isn’t so hard to understand the old phrase “GOD Fearing”.

manimalia,
The NET Bible is a fairly new translation. You can read about it here.

Jeremiah:
I have THREE translations here at work, and that’s just on my PDA.

INCLUDING a copy of the Jewish Publication Societie’s. It ends verse 22 with “and it came out behind.”
I wish it DID talk about the feces, it would be funnier!

I’m sorry, but i’m afraid your hypothosis of poop-inclustion is in the “out’s”.

/just cause i’m religious doesn’t mean i can’t laugh about it!

What about Isaiah 16:11? “Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp for Moab, and my inward parts for Kirharesh.” Samuel Taylor Coleridge was discharged from a Methodist weekly after prefacing an article on fasting with that verse…

Jesus wept.

Sneppy Pootsen:
all of my translations refer to this as their “heart” sounding, not bowels.

Not doing research and using bad translations as a root cause for your followers would get ME in trouble!

Some Literate Person — I think Judy’s just making sure we know she’s not merely ATHIER, she’s the ATHIEST…

a lot more stuff in the New Testament than they’ve got here — St. Paul was not mealy-mouthed!
Check Philippians 3:8 — or Galatians 5:12

but my favorite OT verse — Haggai 2:17 — “I struck you and all the products of your toil with blight and mildew and hail’; yet you did not return to me” — seems only reasonable!!!

The bible is an enormous amalgamation of content created by a multitude of contributors with widely varying viewpoints, life experiences, and story-telling abilities. It is easy to dissect it, to take out small pieces that don’t make a lot of sense to our modern sensibilities, and use them to denigrate the belief system of millions of people. This is a sad and, for those of us who have faith, meaningless act. Taken in it’s entirety, against a backdrop of millions upon millions of believers over generations, and the bibles true import is impossible to deny. Those who do are either lying to us or to themselves.

Tim says: As a Christian, if I am wrong, then I die and nothing happens…..if atheists are wrong (and they are), then eternity is a long time to be wrong…

Of course my question is — what if the Muslim’s are right? Eternity will be just as long for you! And if Buddhists are right? You lose again. And if Wiccan’s are right? Well you lose again. And if American Indian religions are right? You lose again.

But let us suppose Christianity is right. Which version of Christianity? Some preach I’m going to have a long eternity if I dance. Others if I drink — I lose. Others say I’m damned if I read Harry Potter, or go trick or treating or say “happy holidays” instead of “merry christmas.”

So Tim, how do I win? Which religion do I pick that is guaranteed to be correct? And which sect of that religion is the right one? I don’t want to get this bet wrong.

i’m old school…..
WWJD?
well, he’d hang with his posse and prostitutes.
NEVER get married.
sponge off of everybody who ever met him.
crack a whip during church services.
go fishing whenever he felt like it.
and we would LOVE him for it.
now….concerning Old Testament stuff:
that’s Jerry Springer material.
hey! it happened!
even back-in-the-day people screwed up,
got mad, and blamed God.
“that’s not fair” is the mantra for 5-year-olds
and for 5000 years.

“The tongue of a woman knows naught but deceit, and her every utterance be as a lie.” 1st Testicles 1:1

Psalm 137: The Songs of Zion
By The Rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept when we remembered Zion…
…(verse 9): Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

/I bet Boney M didn’t get down to verse 9…

Every single one of these verses is posted out of context. If you would have posted them in context, they would have made alot more sense.

Re: Tim: Your suggestion would be correct if Christianity were the only religion. Then, obviously, believers would be in the best possible position whether atheists or Christians were right.

However, other religions exist, each of which might also be right, and several of which punish believers in false gods more than they do atheists.

Islam, for example, holds that the only unforgivable sin is elevating a false god to the level of Allah. If Islam turns out to be right, atheists will be punished after death, to be sure, but Christians, having committed the only unforgivable sin, will surely be punished more.

Heysuess Christo! Not everything in the bible makes total sense? The devil you say…

It angers me that all of you take all of these out of context if you wish to gawk and laugh, fine, but you are being stupid and blinding yourselves.

Read it in context and they make sense and are not just gross sentences, and I can see a couple good sermons that could come out of some of those, if you get your mind out of the gutter

@ MrTruddleswick

Wouldn’t you sometimes want to depart from reality when your grand-children and so on down are dying of old age before you die. Noah was still alive after a couple generations of his grandchildren and down a couple had died.

Yakko and all your other close minded repliers. The ENTIRE Bible points us to Christ. So when you take one line out of one verse out of a story then you grossly misrepresent the idea being taught. You are all so closed minded to accept that the Bible the is the inspired word of God that arguing this point would be futile.

Christian, should simply definied as believing in Christ. Belive in Christ be saved and go to Heaven. Reject Christ and go to hell. THat’s pretty simple my friends. There’s no wavering there. “christians” who preachs that drinking, dancing or Harry Potter condemn you to hell are also wrong. Things that are wrong and things that cause us to reject Christ and make ourselves God. I.E. if you read and worship Harry Potter and think you don’t need Jesus then you’re going to Hell.

If you realize that Chirst freely by grace gave up his INNOCENT life, died a brutal death, went to hell and defeated sin, death, and the devil and then rose again 3 days later then I’d say you’re going to Heaven.

EMOTION and the current WORLD views have NO place in determining what the Bible says.

Finally, Muslims tell anyone not of Allah to be KILLED by their people. (this is a peaceful religion). Chrisitianity we are taught to love our enemies and tell them the good news of Jesus CHRIST. many of you need to actually step foot in a good Lutheran church and hear the true word of God.

The sermon should proclaim what Christ has done for you. The sermon should not be a life lesson on dating or how to have more money.

Throw away WWJD and remember WHAT HAS JESUS ALREADY DONE FOR YOU!

If anyone can show me any proof of God’s existence, then I may believe. But since that ain’t gonna happen I’ll stick to science. Objective Science is my religion, not science contaminated with religion.

I believe in EVERY RELIGION. (insurance policy against mad Gods)

But Tim, which of the 22000 Christian sects do you follow as your backup plan? I hope you picked the right one!

And what if you picked the wrong religion entirely? Remember, each has a holy book saying “We are right!”

Congratulations, you found some pretty interesting things from the Bible. Hope you will read it more often. So how about this verse:
2 Tim. 2:23 – “But foolish questionings and those arising from an untrained mind refuse, knowing that they beget contentions.”

I’ve heard #1, #2, #5, #7, #8, #9, #10, and possibly #6 all in sermons. I’m not as sure about #6, because I’ve seen all of these verses somewhere, even if not in a sermon. My point is simply this: not all Christians are as selective as you imply. There are Christians out there who do take the whole Bible rather than ignoring the weird parts.

i love all the used car salesmen (christians) on this reply board. They only recognize the “good” of the bible and that’s all they’ve ever been subjected to (or they wouldn’t have bought intot the farce that is chrstianity) it’s no wonder when they are faced with the uncomfortable facts of the bibles shortcomings, contradictions and ugliness of gods character that they freak out.

You are called apologist for a reason. Anytime someone brings up a patently obvious negative aspect from the bible they are the first to say it’s being taken out of context, yet the majority of them want us to believe that the bible is the inerrant word of god. YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS !

don’t get pissy with us for pointing out the OBVIOUS contradictions not just in the bible but in GODS word from the bible.

Psalm 74:22
Rise up, O God, and defend your cause;
remember how fools mock you all day long.

ummm…. i HAVE preached on #10. its brutal, but there’s a helluve a lesson there

Good thing I read this. I was planning on having my testicles crushed, but now I guess I better not.

@se: Case and point? You sure know how to make yourself look bad.

Oh this is too good. I hope this continues. Oh and Dwayne: I’d be curious as to what you think of President Bush. Because he’s not about greed, and doesn’t make decisions to help himself and his friends prosper or anything. And he IS religious. Oh and the only reason followers are encouraged to not be materialistic and give to the church, is because the church is greedy and power mongers themselves. Greed is a sin, yeah? They made laws back in the ages to benefits themselves. i.e. why Jewish don’t eat pork. .. Who wrote the Bible? Man. Who made laws? Man.. Dig deeper inside yourself my friend.

To be honest, yet follow an idea I have heard elsewhere; I think the real consideration is not what you believe in , so much as you have something to belive in. Compare Kykes, Xheads & Ragheads. All of them are willing to fight & die for basically the same belief: there is one God who has been represented by multiple personalities. All of them preach the same beliefs & principles (the golden rule, not kill the guy next to you because he does not follow allah. The underlying message that stories like the following show is that you have to believe by personal choice, not because of testimonials from others. Christ wanted other people to make their minds up on their own, not after watching him unblind some dude.

Mark chapter 8

Then He came to Bethsaida; and they brought a blind man to Him, and begged Him to touch him. 23 So He took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the town. And when He had spit on his eyes and put His hands on him, He asked him if he saw anything.
24 And he looked up and said, “I see men like trees, walking.”
25 Then He put His hands on his eyes again and made him look up. And he was restored and saw everyone clearly. 26 Then He sent him away to his house, saying, “Neither go into the town, nor tell anyone in the town.”

I also think this is kinda funny, may be construed as Jesus having to redo a miracle of sight. He also tells the guy to stay away from everone and tell nobody. Sort of contradictory to the whole ’spread the word’ thing.

I got my foreskin caught in my Zipporah by accident once. Ouch!

There is nothing strange about those verses. You will never hear the entire Bible from the pulpit, you got to read it and pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit.

I am a christian, and I love those verses. Again, I love everyone of them. I could list out 5 more you probably never heard of.

The Bible is not sesame street. It’s not designed to please the athiest notion of right and wrong.

The Bible is designed to save your life from Hell and give you a real future.

Of course, if your a athiest or ex-christian, that will make you laugh… but that’s ok.

There are great gems in Proverbs. Read it..

For all the athiests:

God is real. And he’s unbelievable.
http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

May Buster protect and save them all…

Holy. Fark.

I have heard most of these preached on. Weak post.

Yo Gorkul..
Explain to me just where ALL the gas/matter/antimatter,flatulence or liberal gay married couple that created the big bang came from???????????
Or do ya have a big bang theory for where everything came from to create the big bang
Ill keep an open mind but you go ahead and play your “scientists ARE the GODS” game if ya wanna

Number 10 is a clear indication that for as long as man has been keeping records they have been mocking and making fun of baldness. Will the torture never stop

2 Kings 2:23-24 NKJV

Don’t Dis Elisha

http://www.seanet.com/~billr/xbs/DontdisElisha.htm

@mcp thank you for that! I’m still giggling

It is fascinating to see how far we haven’t come. Religion (which is different from “god”) is simply mental masturbation.

In my opinion, “god” or whatever it is, is horribly insulted by religion. I mean, if this being known as “god” can create the universe and everything in it, don’t you think that it is a bit petty to take one single species on a tiny little out of the way planet and torture us for eternity if we don’t follow the little plan in the book. If I, a mere human, can see it, don’t you think this omnipotent “god” must be more evolved than me? Most Christians wouldn’t even pay to see that story in a movie. They would find it unbelievable!

The whole basis for Christianity is stolen from ancient mythologies and legends. Jesus was not the first to die and come back…and then be called “god.” Study some ancient literature from around the world (especially the middle east). Examine the creation stories of the Babylonians, Christians, Greeks etc. What we call “christianity” is simply a re-telling of the same old story.

Still laughing!

i cant see the stuff im posting…

#8 – If you read the rest of the verses there are blind people, deformed priests, priests missing limbs, etc. God wasnt talking about the physical here. Much of the physical in the Old Testament were symbols for the spiritual. Lets take for an example the limbs. God says we will be priests and royalty in heaven so by priests he is talking about the believers. If you were missing a part of your “body” you cannot enter God’s presence. Body parts missing was a symbol of missing parts/rejecting and only accepting certain parts of the full Gospel. He was saying accept all of my word. Another example is the hunchback who is always facing downwards and looking at the ground. This is a person who can only see is misery and is a pessimist. God says that these kinds of people will not be able to see God’s presence, not because it is a restriction but because of their mind set.

I’m curious. WHY is it that when HOLYROLLERS feel that they have something of IMPORT to say, they use all-CAPS to say IT, when TRULY it makes them seem POMPOUS and OBNOXIOUS?

See how annoying that is? I say now unto thee, those who misuse the uppercase letters, or even the capitals of the same, shall be cast for all time among the most revered sisters of the Iron Ruler, who as oncetime teachers of the word and the grammar shall smite thy knuckles for eternity, Amen.

Rev 22:20

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

May I offer the Woman in a Basket?

another athiest speaking out of ignorance.. http://www.thewordfortoday.org has every chapter and verse online for free. also here http://www.blueletterbible.org
remember fellow Christians, every atheists name is in the bible, FOOL…

“It is to Professor Wilder-Smith that I owe the scientific falsification of evolutionary theory, which had become the scientific concretion of Hegelian dialectics as the alternative to metaphysics and theology. Wilder-Smith was the first and only person to have the courage to refute evolutionary theory as a whole on a principle level. In the meantime there are a number of renowned critics of single aspects of evolutionary theory. But nobody has dared attack or question evolutionary theory as such outside of the narrow confines of their own specialty. This is because no philosopher or scientist has identified and recognized the diabolic perversion of the substitution of principles: development of the spirit out of nature at the expense of individual particularities—instead of the incarnation of the spirit for the redemption of persons enslaved by sin.”
http://media.trinetcom.com/media/ff4c/wildersmith/OAW0303.mp3

My favorite is Joshua 13:1. It goes like this: Now Joshua was old and stricken in years; and the LORD said unto him, Thou are old and stricken in years, and there remaineth yet very much land to be possessed.

Comment: Did God have to rub it in?

Lit Chick, I am glad you recognized that what your saying is just your opinion.

There is more than enough proof the Jesus Existed, even without the existance of the Bible it would be impossible to prove he didn’t.

It’s a recorded fact that he existed in many jewish, roman and greek texts.
500+ individuals saw him alive after his resurrection.

How can you claim God is wicked, evil an torturous and than claim that he does not exist? Your wrong on both counts, God is Good. God is Love and He exists…

But you are free to carry on in your anger/beleif system.

You might be interested in this: http://www.christian-faith.com/atheism/DoesGodexist.html

Tim writes: “As a Christian, if I am wrong, then I die and nothing happens…..if atheists are wrong (and they are), then eternity is a long time to be wrong…”

Actually, if you are wrong anything could happen. It might be that only Christians go to hell. It might be that the one true church is the church of “send me fifty bucks.” Hey, why take chances, send me fifty bucks today!

As for #7 – Apparently Onan didn’t ‘come’ into all that God wanted for him…

http://www.reachouttrust.org/phpBB2/index.php?sid=bbbb9272f18c15f1e2ad1a25ba30d12c

Go to the above link if you want a real laugh. These people are really nuts, what’s more, they think everyone else is mad!!

Religion is poison. people who believe in god are stuck in mid-evolution. They most likely do not even believe the earth is round. The bible is a book of filth written by derranged and perverted jews.

Great site and post, I blogged about this today, see http://jesus-istheanswer.org/?p=26

blessings

One of the things I love about my relationship with God is that I can count on Him to be there for me when I need him the most. Of course, my friends are there for me too, but not like God is. He knows everything about me. I know there are no pronounced visual miracles like the ones in the Bible, or atleast none that I have seen, but there are miracles in my life. Although mostly they are subtle, I know that they are the work of God because some things are just too wonderful to have been orchestrated by people here on earth (i say “people here on earth” for lack of better terminology). Anyways, I wanted to make a comment to those of you who see the Bible as a sham or who do not know God. If you ever get a chance to know God, to have a relationship with the person that created you and sacrificed His son so that you could spend eternity with him, your life will change forever. When you’ve experienced the love that He has for you, you will know that miracles do exist.

Mockery: the only disinfectant for xian filth.

Pascal’s Wager: works for any (lying) religion positing Daddy’s Return. (Xianity & Islam, for example)

“Theology is a subject without an object.”

well by not loving 1% of the 10 things. “not kill the guy next to you because he does not follow allah” it is all very simple

Skimming through the responses left here, there are some instances of ignorance in the text.

1) Islam is a peaceful religion. The extreme fundamentalists use the “kill those who are not of Allah” as an excuse to murder. The Allah Islam refers to is the Judeo-Christian God, and the Quran says to respect the teachings of Jesus and those who believe in God. The problem with the struggle between Islam and Judeo-Christianity is that there are too many people on both sides willing to buy into the words in the text as the absolute truth, without seeing the other side, and without learning all the similarities between religions.

2) The Bible is filled with graphic images, which when translated into modern language are still very shocking. Taking these verses and only “writing about part of the story” is still funny, because it shows that there is nothing new under the sun.

3) The Bible is not faxed straight from God. It is also not a dictation or transcript from a conversation. It is interpretation, and translation. There are mistakes.

4) And for all you people trying to “convert” people with your posts, and telling others that they’re wrong, you don’t know the whole truth, and neither does anyone still on this planet. If you’re taking religion without a sense of humor, you the one with a problem.

remember that there are different types of humor. there is the humor that is meant to be funny (i.e. telling a joke with the hopes that you will get someone to laugh) and the humor that is meant for making something incredible (i.e. mocking something). I do agree that there are things in the bible that were meant to be funny. But what people mean when they say that others are “taking the verses out of context” is that they are mocking the verse for supposedly meaning something other than its intention. Have you ever said something you thought was serious and then had what you said met with laughter? Its a terrible feeling…

I also would urge you to read Matthew 7:1-2

You’re using an outdated and really hard to understand old version… With a newer version, and a little understanding of the cultural norms and practices of the day, you can actually start to understand what you’re ignorantly poking fun of! Wow, what a concept.

“GetanewerVersion” …

Are you saying I just need the next edition of “God’s infallible word”? It’s better once it’s changed?

Wow. Let’s stop beating a dead horse here. Everyone is going to believe what they believe, regardless of the collection of words that are written and posted to this thread.

Stop quoting scripture to me and trying to back it up, I still won’t believe it. It doesn’t matter how strongly you feel about it, and how eloquently you write it, I still don’t believe. Let’s agree to disagree.

I guess we’ll all find out when we die who’s right and who’s wrong.

Genisis 6:1-7

6:1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

Your God is sorry he made us, and shall utterly destroy us.
There’s a loving, forgiving god for ya.
C’mon, join the Dark Side.
http://www.ChurchOfSatan.com

before Christians slaughtered other cultures, those peoples had never heard of Christ, meaning thousands and thousands of people died before they had ever heard of Christ, meaning ‘believing in Christ is your ticket to heaven’ is a nothing but a huge load. Study the history of the religion, read the bible, research the origin of the bible and its myth stories, and you soon realize how much they borrowed from other religions. 2/3rds of the worlds popular aren’t going to burn in hell simply because they don’t believe in Santa Claus. It was a way to control people. If you pray to Odin hard enough and long enough your going to be answered. It’s called brainwashing. Unconditional love is exactly that. Mothers don’t throw their babies into fires because they did something bad and didn’t understand something they apparently ‘can’t understand’.

Theres a reason why God never shows tenderness, humor or love in the bible. Read it yourself. Instead he flies off into rages and slaughters people in the most hideous of ways, instead he is jealous, instead he rarely shows mercy and even allows his own ‘enemy’ to persecute his followers (can’t kill them though, of course). These are character flaws in human beings.

Stop being controlled. Free your mind from religious control!

exodus chapter 13 and the lord spake unto mosses saying sanctify unto me ALL the fristborn WHAT SOEVER openeth the womb among the children of israel BOTH of man and of beast IT IS MINE ive never in 35 years heard this preached

Max, amazingly out of context. But it is a great illustration of why non-contextual biblical interpretation is such the game for people that hate Christians, Christianity or even Judaism (not saying that you do). It is easy to fluster many believers by using verses that literally mean things that are repugnant to them. When many of the verses have a history and culture behind them that modern American’s and many other modern peoples do not understand. Many Orthodox Christian scholars have an excellent grasp of the culture surrounding the NT and have a good grasp of the culture surrounding the OT. This is why interetation means something and why literalism is a dead-end. The culture of the people of the Bible did not express them necessarily in literal terms, and many pieces of knowledge of their life and events in the Bible were not written in the Bible, but handed down through Tradition. Tradition is an extremely important both in storytelling and in Biblical interpretation.

Glad to see all the apologists made it to this page. Not really glad, actually, more like… amused. There’s even a reply stating that evolution has been disproved! Not that anyone had brought up evolution yet, but I guess you have to get at least one jab in before you start turning the other cheek. But since the wacky cultists feel the need to post websites for you to read, I thought I put up a couple, too: http://www.talkorigins.org and http://www.evilbible.com.

As a father of two teenage boys I can sometimes see the reasoning, but really, isn’t this a little harsh?:
Deuteronomy 21: 18-21

King James

“If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place…And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he shall die: so shalt though put evil among you: and all Israel shall hear and fear.”

At least, all kids going through puberty shall hear and fear!!!

You might, just might, want to consider Whom you are “making fun” of and calling “wierd”. He is not mocked. I have heard these verses preached on. Either some do not attend worship services regularly, do not pay attention when they go or have a “politicaly correct teacher.”

That’s it. I’m putting the kibosh on all this discussion of whether or not I exist. Nitpicking the Bible doesn’t interest me, either. The reviews for the book may vary, but sales are still strong.

Hint: that stuff about crushed testicles is the most technically correct thing in the whole book, so, you know, watch it. The raping a chick and paying to marry her afterwards thing? I don’t know…I hear some people saying women deserve better, but very few of them are my followers. And as for that stuff about dashing babies against the rocks, well, I was in a bad mood that day and the writer must have picked up on my ranting. You’ve got to remember there was no union back then, so some of these fekkakte writers they sent me were just…oy vey, what can I say?

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to go back in time, since obviously no one could have created a being of my infinite power and so the job is left to me.

Love it, love it, love it. I’m a Christian, but I’m not so snowed by Bible-thumpers that everything in the Bible should be taken literally. There are some televangelists (and you know who you are) to whom number 7 should apply. Hippocrites.

Hammer
1-The God of the Bible and Allah are not the same. Oops. I know this b/c Jesus accepts worship as God and Muslims think him to only be a prophet. Both can not be correct in two monotheistic religions.
2-It is illogical, for a Christian, to believe the Bible has errors or mistakes, as written in the original language. Otherwise how, as fallible people, do we know the differences in the “truths and errors”. Or, if there is even 1 error then it is not a book worth having as an authority over you as a Christian.
3-Speaking of context: Matthew 7:1-2 is in the context of the measure of reward in heaven for life on earth to believers (as it seems most consistent with the chapter). So…deeds are rewarded or unrewarded to Christians after eternal destination (i.e. heaven or hell) is decided. It is not saying do not judge ever. Only, when you do, know that there is a recompense whether you are wrong or right. Which leads me to think that there must be a way to know what is rightness or wrongness and be able to “call a spade, a spade”.

The verses mentioned by someone above about women not speaking were in reaction to occasions when women would gossip during services. Sometimes standing up and talking.
I’m a religious studies professor from Washington University, an atheist, and all those entertaining verses can be explained in context and through history.
Muslims do believe that Jesus was a prophet, they probably have it better than the Christians given that Paul, or Saul of Tarsus, came from a land that had their own savior myth where their god died for their souls and that they could be cleansed by his blood, etc.
After the time of Jesus there were a lot of “Christians” who believed that Jesus was just a messenger. Emperor Constantine had a mother who differed with this view, that Jesus was the “Son of God,” despite his sister believing in the prophet theory. There was an entire sect that believed this, although small verse those who believed Jesus was just a man. He called the famous council of all the religions in their land, inviting the “christians” who believed Jesus was God to host the council. Everyone placed their scriptures in a chest, the athanasians (Jesus=God) placed theirs in last. Constantine had everyone pray and worship their gods so that their scripture would be found at the top in the chest in the morning. Many were dubious about the method but dubiousness showed a lack of faith of their gods and was discouraged by many, including Constantine’s guards. When morning came the athanasian scriptures were found on the top of the pile. Constantine declared this proof of the true faith and told everyone attending that they must swear allegiance to Jesus as God or die. Many died, and the purges were taken throughout the entire kingdom, burning most of the writings and scriptures of rival “Christian” movements and other faiths. Thus, Jesus became God. The offspring of those in the church never have done enough self examination to reach any kind of truths. If you don’t question your faith, vigorously, then you are an ignorant member of a cult, whether what you believe turns out to be the truth in the end or not. Your parents cannot be trusted to have found the “truth,” they have done just what you are doing. If you truly believe that your faith is correct, then imagine if you had been born as a Muslim or a Jew you would probably have the same convictions. You would have the same “gut” feeling and “intuitive” reasoning as you have now. The same spiritual fulfillment and uplifting would occur. Every reason that you believe what you do would be replicated in the other religion, you might even find that you have more reasons than you do now. Maybe there’s no funny verses that can be used against you on a random website, context or no… etc.

Bob. You are good.

I am a Christian and am trying to understand why so many people seem to be getting so upset. I think the author was trying to be humorous and to get you to open your Bible and actually see if the verses were in there. I for one can’t remember hearing these in sermons, and I do attend regularly. Also, there is repeated talk of errors in the Bible. I would like an example of one so that I can figure out if my translation of God’s inspired word should be traded in for a better one.

Yakko and others: You all have a valid point. What is the correct religion? You see, it is not about “religion”, it is about your personal relationship with your Heavenly Father who created you. You want proof God is real, look around. Logic tells you that this beauty did not happen on it’s own. There is a creator just as a painting has an artist, a building has an architect, our world has a creator. You have a choice believe or do not. But there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ, who hated religion himself, but loved us enough to die for us. It seems odd to me that the followers, the men that were the closest to him, all died preaching what He had taught them. Either they were all crazy or they were right. They were there to experience His miracles and His death, but most importantly His resurrection. Anyone can die for what they believe in, but who can live forever because of their belief. Please consider what is being said here. Get past your pride and self substance and listen to that still quiet voice that desires you to love Him as much as He loves you.

Enjoyed the scriptures, will give me some things to study and try to figure what generations later will be reading about us.

you know, it’s not worth getting incensed over the pomposity of such arguments from ignorance. but i do. yako, you just said i don’t understand the world so it’s obvious sky-daddy i read about in a book did it. that’s a poor argument. how ’bout you just stick with “i don’t understand the world” and then maybe read some other books. it’ll give you something to do with all this filler time before you go to the great disneyland in the sky.

Unless the Lord reveals himself to you, then you’ll never know.

Trying to read and understand the Bible without God is impossible. Once you’ve accepted Christ as Savior, the Bible is understood spiritually and not worldly. Why try to run with horses when you are worn keeping with the foot of man? Salvation is a gift, unfortunately, its not for everyone. But it is good, it is really good.

I would definately reconsider the validity of the Bible if it were fairy tale, the fact so many sides of life are shown through stories and descriptions whether literal or figurative provides a profound respect that it does not ignore the truth. There is scripture I used to laugh at when I was a pot-head, saying something the effect, “If anyone should approach this mountain, he must be stoned.” And, I was.

The God of the Bible is an EVIL killer. In addition to drowning entire populations, and torturing and slaughtering hundreds of thousands (because of their nationality, birth, or beliefs), the Bible is FULL of instances where God COMMANDS his followers to kill, torture, kidnap, enslave, rape, and abort others.

Check out Ezekiel 9:6, Isaiah 13:16, Deuteronomy 13:15, Leviticus 20:9, Exodus 31:27, Deuteronomy 21:10-12, Joshua 7:15, and Hosea 13:16 for just a few of hundreds of examples. God makes Adolf Hitler look like a Boy Scout. It doesn’t matter what the culture or context is – there is NO EXCUSE for ANYONE to command or commit these kinds of atrocities. Read the ENTIRE Bible. It’s the most violent and disgusting book ever written!

The whole Jesus thing is also shameful and sick. A human parent who sent his only child to be beaten and executed for something he didn’t do would be considered a MONSTER by most people. No wonder there’s so much crime in the world, when millions of people are being taught at church to condone the punishment of an innocent person, and that his murder allows them to be magically forgiven for hurting people and doing wrong!

If all that heinous stuff appeals to you, you are free to worship the culprit and teach your children to admire and emulate it. MY conscience would NEVER allow me to lower MY moral standards so far as to worship the Biblical God, even if he did exist. There’s NOTHING any Jesus freak can say or do that would ever change that – indeed, their shameful threats about Hell and such just make me MORE certain that I could NEVER be a Christian.

One thing I hope people who have not put their faith in Christ would understand is this: the Bible does not give a message that Christians are perfect. We can see this easily from this blog. It talks about the world being fallen, and so is man. We are seperated from God by our own terrible choices and only Jesus can restore that relationship. Its not our duty to focus on the fault of man, but rather to acknowledge a Holy God that offers forgiveness when we diserve punishment. God is good.

haha, @ ThereisnoGod . . . The amazing thing that you’re ignoring is this: Man sinned. Man chose not to follow God. God is just.

We diserve death.

peaceful man,

Do you also make excuses for Hitler? Slaughtering millions of people is NOT ‘just’, no matter WHO does it, IMO. Of course, you are free to believe that killing and torturing people, and encouraging torture and rape is admirable, if you wish.

Atheists don’t sin. We also don’t need to be saved from the Christian God. Christian myths and edicts don’t apply to non-Christians, just as Hindu dogma about cows being sacred doesn’t apply to Christians or Muslims or Wiccans. Threatening non-Christians with Hell is just as silly and pointless as warning us about the Big Bad Wolf, or telling Christians that Zeus will strike them with a thunderbolt.

It’s not surprising that moral people wouldn’t follow the Biblical God. I hope I’d kill myself if I ever even considered being a Christian.

immaculate conception is a thinly desguised excuse for rape

these comments have given me food for thought…

Seriously, I am really interested in the mistakes to be found in the Bible. I haven’t found any and I am waiting for someone to give me a good example of one so that I may be enlighted in the same way that they are. Can anyone find one in the inerrant inspired words from God? Where are they? WHAT are they? How do you know they are errors and mistakes? Where do you learn about them? Anyone?

Hell, translated “eternal damnation” is not scriptural and is not true. It is just a traditional teaching that is false and is used extensively to fleece the church members out of their “tithings” which is also an unscriptural teaching. The bible has been purposefully mistranslated.

I Timothy 9-10: This [is] a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

God is the saviour of all men and all men will be saved. Not some – but all.

http://www.bible-truths.com is not my website but Ray has some amazing insight.

Heretics! Jesus certainly exists. I bought an autographed photo of him on eBay…

For bemo, check Genesis 1 and compare with Genisis 2….those are two very different stories of Creation, so at least one must be in error. Thomas Paine said that a story that agrees with itself in all its parts may be true, but one that does not cannot be true.

@ ThereisaGod: If there is such a thing as moral people, then why isnt there peace on earth? If your alternative is suicide rather than believing in God, then its obvious your moral claims hold no depth. Another thing you have yet to understand, if you belive the Bible is written by men, and that there is no God, then wouldnt it be the men themselves lying by saying that God commanded them to kill? Isnt then the man who is killing, and not God? But the fact is, God is just. God can do what he wants, whether we understand or not. We are finite. God gives and takes life. If man never sinned, there would be nothing just about death. But the wages of sin is death.

@ Phil: reread Genisis 1 and two, they do not contradict each other.

@ scott may: you need to qoute the scripture properly for genuine reference. 1 timothy 9-10 doesnt exist. You need to find a chapter. And, if you look at that particular scripture and also look at the Bible in other scripture, you would understand that Christ died for all who would believe on him. Whosoever believes upon him shall not die but inherit eternal life. I think it is clear from this not to base your entire view of God and the Bible off of one verse of the Bible. This applies to this whole blog, too. Read the whole thing.

This is an outrage.Mocking the word of God shows irreverence and ignorance.Woe be unto those who make jokes of the Almighty. You dont know what you do.

For Phil, Genesis 1 shows God creating the world and Genesis 2 shows him creating man, woman, and all living things both animal and plants during those seven days. How do these differ?

Here is something that does not make sense: The claim is made that Islam and the Quran acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and say to respect his teachings. What is it, then, when He says, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me,” John 14:6 that it is ignored? He continues, “If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” John 14:7

I must take issue with Judy on her claim that atheism is logical. Atheism suffers from the same logical disconnect as theism. Both rely on faith, that being belief in the absense of proof. Just as there is no reliable proof of the existence of a god or gods, there is similarly no proof of non-existence as well.

The only logical position is agnostic, but that requires the courage to admit that you don’t know.

Not to say that there is no wisdom in the Bible; there is, just as there is much wisdom in the Q’ran, the Bhagavhad Ghita (did I spell that wrong? I’ll bet I did, sorry) and the Tao. There is also grat foolishness in all of these works as well.

However, the highest foolishness is insisting on a literal interpretation of an allegorical text.

cw:

The “Immaculate Conception” is MARY’S conception, not that of her bastard child, Jesus. In any case, since Mary would have been a very young teen or preteen, her forcible impregnation amounts to virtual statutory rape.

scott may:

Not all men need a savior. Those of us who don’t believe in or worship a killer God have nothing to fear. If YOU have done heinous deeds which require that a God send himself to be beaten and killed so to appease himself, then that is YOUR problem (and his).

Doofus:

One can win a date with Jesus, too, by applying on his website. He likes women (nevermind the fact that he wears a dress and spends much of his time “washing” the “feet” of 12 other men), lives in DC, cooks and has a nice hottub.

I have preached on several of these verses, and they do make sence if you study the context and story line. The Bible says to use the whole counsel of the Scriptures in order to be fully equiped to follow the will of God. If you only have time to make fun of the Bible and pick out the weird parts then you certainly don’t love The Word of God as it tells us to do in Psalms 119.

I spent last night putting together a very nice message for you all, and this morning I see it has not been posted to this site!
Censure happens when a few choose to hide the truth from the many because it goes against their own beliefs and might be offensive to them.
If you select only the few, your site is very flawed as to it nature regarding freedom of information and it’s dissemination.
Information created by and communicated between people is totally insignificant rhetoric…mere drivel in the real scheme of things.
Reality is what we see, and experience is God’s creation, not subject to our interpretation, nor opinion….it is fact.
God has nothing to do with all your man made religions! God is about life, love, and your relationship with God if you choose. For those non-believers, don’t worry. The only hell you will ever see is that which man creates here during man’s life.
A close relationship with your own God is where you get to enjoy your own Heaven here on earth. Thank God for being able to wake up each morning, alive and a part of this worldly experience. Its simple, it’s easy, and it can change your life. Its not the Words! Its the message and your deeds alone that matter. Smile and communicate with God…he’ll even let you interpret him any way you choose to.

“God has nothing to do with all your man made religions! God is about life, love, and your relationship with God if you choose. For those non-believers, don’t worry. The only hell you will ever see is that which man creates here during man’s life.”

nicely said

Wow, what a bunch of lunies, for the most part! I happened upon this list and thread because a link was sent by a friend — haha, some friend!

And, I thought I needed to get a life!

Don’t you think it’s about time most of you grew up and started taking responsibility for your own lives? No one else is gonna do it for you!

To peaceful man:

No one disputes that the god of the Jews and the god of the Christians are one and the same (hence the term Judeo-Christian god/tradition/law). I think the term Judeo-Christian-Islamic god is a far more accurate description. Christianity and Islam are brothers that sprang from the same parent of Judaism. Jews believe Jesus was a prophet, but not the son of god. Muslims also believe Jesus was a prophet, but not the son of god. All three believe in the god of Abraham. The only way the three sects differ is in how they choose to worship this god. This small point has been blown way out of proportion by politicians, warmongers and corrupt religious leaders for centuries to further their own agendas. And they’ve done such a good job of it that today many Christians suffer from the sin of pride and refuse to see that they are religiously related to Muslims. In fact, some find the fact they are religiously related to Jews as distasteful, hence the whole twisted they killed Jesus (who was a Jew) so lets hate them party line. (nevermind that the Romans are the ones that did the actual sentencing and killing. Shall we hate the Italians too?) So yes, stop fixating on the differences. Focus on the similarities. I think there would be far fewer wars, killings and bombings if all sides focused on the similarities. It’s much harder to go to war against your brother than it is against your distant third cousin by marriage twice removed (which is how most Christians have been brainwashed to think of Muslims, religiously speaking).

And perhaps people should lift their noses out of their bibles and take note of those “heathen” Hindus and Buddhists. The Buddha was probably raised as a Hindu and Buddhism has it’s roots in Hinduism. Yet when is the last time you heard of a “clash of civilizations” between the Buddhists and Hindus fighting to see whose religion was superior? When’s the last time you heard of any of the millions of Buddhists fighting in the name of the Buddha? Buddhist suicide bomber? Anyone? Anyone?

As for those who protested that the 10 quotes were taken out of context, you can’t have it both ways. Quotes from the bible are constantly being taken out of context to justify whatever agenda a particular preacher is pushing. How many preachers say their sermons are going to start on page one of the bible and that they will speak about every single line, in order, without skipping a single verse? Or that they will show how some verses in the bible are contradicted by other verses later on in the bible? e.g. the Corinthian verse saying women should not speak or teach in church that is contradicted by Paul’s letter to Jesus’s brother naming female leaders/preachers of his congregation.

Also, even in context, some of the stuff is still unacceptable. Dashing innocent babies against rocks is bad. Dashing innocent babies against the rocks because their fathers did something bad to you is just as bad.

MMMM! 2 1 who doesnt know. CHRIST gives eternal life. Death is what we all fear. Death ends time. We humans feel from birth ,to fit in, 2 understand this world where in.Time is running out.Drink be merry get the money. Death is the end. But why? Life means Time. Eternal means never ending. Why do we feel so hungry to please ourselves of what the world thinks of use. The prince of the world wants us to . Hes a Lion trying 2 destroy us.

NUMBER CHAPTER 5 ALLOWS ABORTION FOR CHEATING WIVES…AND EVEN GIVES PERMANENT STILL BIRTHS AS A PUNISHMENT……SHAME ON FAKE CHRISTIANS

what the charge of sin, any sin? Death for any sin mmmmmm !!! Look inside

I find all the responses to those Ten Verses not Preached on . to be nothing short of Mocking God’s Word …..it should be Noted . that all of those verses have been preached on , at some time since they were written by Inspiration of God …
But one must understand that this is the way all unbelievers will mock the truth .. and most of those verses come from other revisions that have changed the wording and meaning .

peaceful man:

IMO, there isn’t peace on earth because people of various religions can’t stand the fact that not everyone believes the same thing they do. Historically, there has been more violence and killing in the name of religion than for any other reason.

Perhaps you misread what I wrote. My alternative to WORSHIPING the God of the Bible is a happy and moral LIFE as an atheist. I don’t BELIEVE in the God of the Bible regardless, for the same reason that I don’t believe in Zeus, or Mithras, or Odin, or Chrishna, or any of the thousands of other gods (for/to whom YOU are likely an atheist). ALL of the various stories about them are primitive man’s attempts to explain the universe and control other people, IMO. I wouldn’t commit suicide UNLESS I had a mental breakdown and WANTED to become a Christian – at least, I HOPE I would retain enough sense to kill myself if that ever happened. I wouldn’t be able to look myself in the mirror, and wouldn’t want to live with myself if I believed that the atrocities committed and commanded by the God of the Bible were moral and good.

OF COURSE I believe that the men who wrote the Bible were lying, or at least making up violent fictional stories. Christians who have actually READ the entire Bible and kill because it tells them to probably are not knowingly LYING, IF they truly believe that the Bible was written/inspired by God, as preachers and churches and other Christians push them to do. I don’t doubt that Andea Yates really BELIEVED that God wanted/told her to kill her kids. She had been brainwashed into believing the Bible is God’s Word, and God DOES, indeed, prescribe DEATH for children who disobey. She was just being a devout follower of God, according to the Bible.

I would NEVER worship any sadistic killer who instructs people to kill, rape, kidnap, etc., no matter WHAT his reasons, ESPECIALLY one who allegedly has infinite knowledge, resources and options. That makes the Biblical God the EPITOME of evil, IMO. I’d have a hard time imagining a more disgusting and unworthy being, and I am glad for the world that he doesn’t really exist. But, as I’ve said, you’re free to slobber all over him if you wish. I support everyone’s right to worship (or not) whatever gods they want, no matter how vile they are. Certainly, I’m glad that those who can’t behave unless God is watching them believe that he is there, waiting to strike them down. Threats of God obviously work on those who haven’t read enough of the Bible to know that he DEMANDS that people DO many of the heinous things they THINK he forbids.

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“Non-believers” don’t have any reason to worry about God or Hell, just as Christians don’t worry that Zeus will strike them with a lightning bolt, that the Tooth Fairy will sneak into their children’s bedrooms at night, or that Lex Luthor will try to kill Superman. Most adults don’t worry about beings that don’t exist.

working on enlightenment:
The G*d of the Jews did not “send his only son to die for everyone’s sins” and also outlined requirements of the messiah that Jesus did NOT meet or fulfill. He CAN’T be the same God as the Christian God.
Also, Christians seem to conveniently nevermind that GOD is the real killer of Jesus. He orchestrated the hit, according to anyone who cites John 3:16. Judas should be the HERO of the Christians, as they would not have their religion or savior had Judas used his free will and refused to do his part in God’s big plan to appease himself.

RDC:
We don’t ALL fear death. There is no God or Heaven or Hell for atheists to be afraid of. Do Christians fear the wrath of Norse or Egyptian or Greek gods or any others whom THEY do not worship? Of course not.
The LAST thing I would want is eternal life. Christians fail to convert atheists because they have nothing of value to offer us. We don’t need to be saved from a God that doesn’t exist, we don’t fear a Hell that doesn’t exist, and we generally don’t desire eternal life. One man’s treasure is another’s trash.

I find it amazing that so many people of different beliefs come to this site to rant. Unless Christianity has something in it that draws people to it from all belief systems, why do you all come here? The Bible must be a very powerful book regardless of contradicitons, mistakes, or bad translations, whether divinely inspired or not.

I thought that God, by whatever name you may call him, wants the inhabitants of earth to be happy. If we can’t find humor in all things in life, including Bible verses, how can we truly be happy? Didn’t Jesus have a sense of humor?

Is it your right to ridicule other points of view, as well as the people who hold them, just because they don’t happen to agree with yours?

bemo:
A few of the many errors/contradictions in the Bible . . .
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Genesis 1:5-14 there are days, evenings, and mornings BEFORE the Sun is created
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Genesis 1:21-27 the Gods (plural) create animals and then man and woman together
Genesis 2:7-22 God (singular) creates man (again), then animals (again), then woman (again)
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Matt 27:46 Jesus’ last words are “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
Luke 23:46 Jesus’ last words are “My father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.”
John 19:30 Jesus’ last words are “It is finished.”
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There are lots more.

@ working on enlightenment: Yes, Islam and Hebrews are brothers but of different mothers. Yet, the Quran and Islam claims to believe in the old testament and ten commandments, and denies where it says that through Isaac Abraham’s offspring would be reconciled. Ishmeal was produced out of sin, whereas Isaac was produced through a promise made by God even when Abraham wasnt faithful.

@ ThereIsNoGod: Your qoutation of Genesis 1:22-27 is incorrect. Nowhere in these verses is God pluralized. Would I justify Hitler? No, but he believed what he was doing was right. The point is, again, that murder is a product of sin rather than the desire of God. The very first mruder wasnt done in the name of religion, but out of greed power and jealousy. Im speaking of Cain and Abel.

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I would be happy to ignore Christianity and the Bible completely, but unfortunately, many Christians do not respect the right of non-Christians to choose the beliefs that are best for themselves without unwanted busybody interference. The Bible is forced upon people more than any other book of myths – that doesn’t make it powerful. If anything, that is an indication that it LACKS power – if it were true, it wouldn’t NEED advocates.
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I am here because I find mythology fascinating, and enjoy discussing it and pointing out what the Bible REALLY says to Christians who have never read the entire thing. Plus, I don’t mind educating preachy types as to why they fail to convert most non-Christians.
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Where in the Bible did you see God say that he wants the inhabitants of earth to be happy? Do you think infecting thousands of people with festering sores and slaughtering their firstborns was an attempt to make them HAPPY?
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Americans have the right to ridicule whatever they want. It’s called freedom of speech, and it’s listed in the very First Amendment right after freedom of religion (i.e. the freedom to practice any religion (or none) that THEY choose).

peaceful man:
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The use of “Elohim” in Genesis 1 is PLURAL. “Let US create man in OUR image.” He apparently thought somebody else was present and listening, since it says he was SPEAKING.
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Hitler believed he was doing the Lord’s work. Considering the Bible contains repeated commands from God to kill people (except some women and girls, who were to be kidnapped as wives (i.e. raped), it is not surprising that he would have believed that. Hitler obeyed the commands of the Biblical God more than most Christians do.
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Exodus 32:27 “And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.”
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Unless Moses is a liar, the “desire of God” to do evil unto people is quite clear. I’d agree that God is greedy and jealous and sinful.

God is speaking to himself, though, the gospel of trinity is preached to reveal the glory of God; wouldnt God know himself? His spirit dwells in all things. Let him speak, let him whisper his words to you.

Good job making fun of the Bible, which is God’s word. Whoever wrote this is completely unintelligent, and shouldn’t ever be allowed to think again. I hope you understand the consequences of your actions.

peaceful man:

No, Islam and Christianity are brothers. Judaism is the parent. Do you wonder why some Muslims don’t care for Christians? It’s because no one likes getting pushed around by their brother, especially one that acts like they are somehow superior, even though they had the same parents. If there were no Christ or Mohammad, the Jewish religion would still exist today, probably close to its present form. But would have been no Christ without the Jews and the Old Testament and also no Koran without the OT. Many Christians don’t want to acknowledge the close relationship between the three because then that would mean you’re all family and you have to love your family, no matter what.

It is interesting that consciously or subconsciously you still try to hold Christianity at arm’s length away from the other two religions. And that you find a need to point out yet another difference (a difference that is made to show one side to be inferior) rather than finding a positive example of a similarity. Why don’t you point out to me a teaching in the Old Testament that is restated and validated in the New Testament and also validated in the Koran? The same value stated three times in three major texts of three major religions would tend to make me think that particular teaching is truly the inspired word of god. Whereas three contradictory points about the same topic would tend to make me think the words were added later by a politician/pope/iman type trying to further his own personal values and agenda.

wow believer, you desere never to think, ou’ve been brainwashd more than i thought a person could ever be-_-

if you’re not mumified you’ll never go to the afterlife, all praise the egyptian gods! they are the just ones!

working on enlightenment:
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The Jewish religion DOES still exist today, in its SAME form as always, despite the attempts of Christianity to wipe it out by converting everyone and writing a new Bible that furthers its own agenda. I think it’s interesting that Christians IGNORE the overwhelming majority of the 613 Laws God gave to Moses – picking and choosing ONLY the ones they force on OTHER people.
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It’s good of you to try to see the similarities of the three religions, and probably the only thing that COULD bring about anything resembling world peace. Unfortunately, many Christians and Muslims are obsessed with being the ONLY “right” ones, and don’t seem to feel that their beliefs are valid unless EVERYONE shares them, which is, of course, NEVER going to happen.
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LOL! Preachy Christians would be HORRIFED if followers of the Egyptian, Norse, Greek, Hindu, or other gods gave them the same kind of edicts that THEY lob at others! hehehe

Very interesting concept,
The mysteries of the UFO’s is here in the first book of the bible.

KJVGen-6.2 The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

2 complely different races here, Sons of God and Daughters of Man.

“Earth Chicks ‘ are totaly Awsome!!!!!.

You’ll only know if you’ve been saved, God bless you all, Peace and love unto you!

to thereisnoGod… I have been looking over the verses…Genesis 1- “Let there be light,” -light is created -”and God separated the light from the darkness”-darkness was created-”and there was evening and there was morning, the first day.”-God created day and night and evening. The fourth day is Him creating the sun and moon to rule the day and night. God didn’t need them to light anything, He created the light.

Genesis 1 has no mention of a plural God, they are all singular. Genesis 2 has a retelling of the creation of man and woman. It is not them being recreated. It goes into greater detail of how he created man from dust on the sixth day.

As to the references of Jesus’ last words, can you honestly tell me that if three different people are watching a friend dying for them from three different points of view, literally, that they will all give the same exact recollection of exactly the same thing? I don’t think so. Everyone sees something different and in this case caught different parts of His last words.

Lastly, let me say that for someone who says thereisnoGod, you have done extensive research into the Bible and tried to disprove it. When will you take the blinders off and actually read what the word of God is saying to you personally? At some point, in your study to prove God does not exist, He will let Himself be known unto you and you will weep. Are you ready for that?

god is not real, it is a book written a long long time ago. someone read it and was convinced that the virgin mary was actually impregnated by a spirit. come on, get real. no such thing as god. and jesus is the man who cuts my lawn every week. hate to say this but you all believe something that just cannot possibly exist. and thats the problem with the world today, if there were no religion, there probably would not be that much war, ie; terrorism, ireland(catholics and Protestants) plus many more.. religion = hate. sorry to say but its true and it sucks that people have to suffer because of their beliefs.

Can someone familiar with the Torah explain the significance of foreskin in the Jewish faith?

bemo:
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The sun IS the light that creates day and night. Obviously, the primitive men who wrote Genesis 1 did not understand that, and thought its purpose was one of navigation and indication, rather than THE illumination.
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“Let US make man in OUR image”. That’s PLURAL. Read the Hebrew.
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An accurate account of creation wouldn’t need a “retelling” in the first place, but it certainly wouldn’t have things being created IN A DIFFERENT ORDER the second time. Genesis 1 has the animals created first, and man and woman created afterwards to hold dominion over them. Genesis 2 claims that the animals were created AFTER Adam BECAUSE he was alone. Then, the allegedly omniscient God finally figures out that the animals didn’t solve the problem and has to reconfigure Adam in order to make a woman. Even if the creation story was true, both versions cannot be correct.
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One dying man does not utter three COMPLETELY DIFFERENT versions of last words right before he croaks. At least two of the accounts cannot be accurate. Of course, one is bound to make mistakes when he writes stories more than 40 years after the alleged events occurred.
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One does not have to believe a book of myths is true in order to read or study the contents. In fact, it’s probably better if a scholar DOESN’T believe it, as he’s less likely to twist the words to try to make them mean something they don’t say if he has no personal stake in the book.

When will you take the blinders off and actually read what “The Cat in the Hat” is saying to you personally? At some point, Captain Hook will let Himself be known unto you and you will weep.
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Feel free to believe whatever you want. Unlike you, I don’t butt into anyone else’s spiritual business or disrespect his/her right to choose the beliefs that are right for him/herself.

workingonenlightment: in reference to the idea of Judaism being the parent and both the New Testament and the Quran coming from the Old testament, there was a Malchezidek priesthood before the Hebrews and Levitcal law, Hebrews and Muslims are brothers and the parenthood of them would come from Adam, who came from God. Gentiles are not necessarily directe descendents of Abrahams, though they may hope in Jesus. Yet, the statement made by peaceful man was clearly from the OT, that Abraham’s offspring would be reconciled through Isaac, and not Ishmeal. Isaac, of course, being the patriarch over Hebrews. Why, then, if that statement is made by the father before the religious aspect of the brotherhood is leaned upon, would either of the brotherhoods deny what the father has said? Ishmeal was sent away, a child produced without faith in the statement made by God that Sarah would bear child. After Sarah asked Ishmeal to be sent away, this is written: “The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservent. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservent into a nation also, because he is your offspring.” Genesis 21:11-13 There is proof, that with a claim of belief rooted in the OT which clearly states this, any other claim is faulty.

thereisnogod: I would suggest focusing your attention on who the “Us” would then be. The Bible teaches that before the creation of the world existed the first begotten Son, which reveals the Glory of God. That is God himself, the firstborn of all creation. It would be that God is communicating to someone, but that does not imply there are multiple gods. It furthers the idea that between all men and God there is a mediator, the firstborn, the Glory of God.

To thereisnoGod…I do not think that I ever said that you were wrong in your belief. I believe what I said was that you have blinders on. A horse in a race has blinders on so that he sees no other horses in the running. His beliefs are not wrong, as man has put the blinders on him so that he will believe it. I personally believe someone or something somewhere has put blinders on your heart. That is part of my personal belief…is it wrong of me to have this personal belief?

Let Us…yes. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit…the Holy Trinity. Faith….nevermind. I could keep refuting and explaining, but it will mean nothing to someone who does not believe. Why do you care what the Bible says and how many ways it says it? If I believe the Bible and I am wrong, nothing different will happen to me when I die than will happen to you, so why do you care that it, according to non-believers, has errors? Who does it hurt that I believe? No one. I haven’t killed anyone, beaten anyone for not believing, or even told someone that their beliefs were wrong. I state what I know and believe. I am sorry if I have made you uncomfortable or irritated. That was not my intent. I wanted to see what mistakes were supposedly in the Bible.

Lastly, just some questions. Since you do not believe in God, why are you troubling yourself to talk to a lowly believer such as I? Why is it so important? I am no one to you, just someone on a blog. What have I done to so enrage you? Why do you care?

Suggestion:

Let’s live and let live. I must say, It took longer than usual for people to begin condemning each other in these messages; but sure enough…… Believe as you believe — and be willing to go to your grave embracing that point of view, where ever it leads. Does this work for anyone? If you’re bold about science take it to the grave. If your bold about Jesus, take it to the grave — and take the chips off your shoulders.

I found number 8 to be the best in the KJV. Thou that hast his stones cut off. or something like that. I find the old language of the KJV to be really easy to understand. There were fewer words back then, so it was harder to mince them.

Upholding and defending the Constitution(s),
Furb
Newport, NH, USA

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I have heard sermons and Bible studies that included these Bible texts. I see nothing at all funny in taking one or two verses out of context. No one who doesn’t have a knowledge of the Bible or has not studied these verses in context with the rest of the Bible can understand what theses verses mean in the way that you present them. It is like taking one sentance out of a thesis and therefore changing the entire meaning of the message through misrepresentation. People who do what you do show only one thing…that you have no knowlege or understanding of the subject that you are talking about. That is not funny. That is pathetic. People always make fun of what they cannot understand. You do not seek with a true heart…so you will never understand truth.

Hosea 11:
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It doesn’t matter to me whether the fictional Bible talks of multiple gods, or who they are – although God wouldn’t be jealous of other gods getting worshiped if he knew they didn’t exist. The fact is, God is referred to in the plural MULTIPLE times in the Bible of a people who were FORBIDDEN from worshipping other gods such as Jesus, who did NOT meet the requirements of the mosiach.
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Why were you doing work on the Sabbath?
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Exodus 31:15 “Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”

” For the fool has said there is no God: the heathen shall be cast down, and pursued into the darkness”

I am a non-denominational Christian . . . everything I believe comes from the Bible, and I believe EVERYTHING FROM the Bible, which takes a lot of study to understand. Christianity is based on Faith, and it is a very difficult path to follow. It is hard sometimes to understand the good, the bad, and the ugly of the Bible, but again, study can reveal many truths. Ask people who have dedicated their lives to the discovery of these truths. It doesn’t hurt to ask. Here is a verse that is easy to understand, if you’ve a mind to hear it as it was meant:
John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
P.S. God does not change, but there IS a difference between Judaism, and Christianity. Love you all!

What are you trying to proove here? Are you preaching against the bible here? What is the purpose of taking some sentences out of their context & fight christianity with it? What is your basic knowldge aboute the bible? When was the last time you have read it? You know I can do that in the american law & constitution, I can take one or 2 sentences & condemn the whole society you live in with it. That is an easy job but the quetsion is : IS IT A SMART ONE?????? Wake up stupid heads!

The ignorance of men baffles me. You can take a scripture and make it mean whatever you want to. But, to understand it you have to take the before, after, everything in between amd then you still have to understand the history of where and why things are said. Most of your scripture here is symbolisim. I would like to leave just one thing. John 14:6 Jesus says; I AM THE WAY, NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME. Do you know Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior? Everyone is going to see Heaven one say, but not everyone is going to stay…….sad really for the Bible says that it is the Will of God that ALL man should come to repentence and recieve slavation. Heaven or Hell it is your choice, the way has already been paved!!!

bemo:
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Blinders would cause one to ignore or not read what the Bible actually SAYS, or to try to color what is there to make it seem more palatable, so it more closely resembles what one WISHES it said. I am obviously NOT blinded to it, as I have quoted it verbatim repeatedly. I’d quote the Hebrew or Greek so to avoid some of the obvious mistranslations into English, but since most Christians haven’t bothered to learn the languages in which their God’s alleged word was first written, there’s not much point in me posting that.
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As I said, you are free to believe whatever you want. I happen to know that you are wrong about me, but you are welcome to your fantasies. It’s sad that anyone’s personal beliefs would focus on butting into other people’s spiritual business, rather than concentrating on their own alleged relationship with God, but most non-Christians are accustomed to disrespectful invasions and shameful threats by now. Hint: they just drive people AWAY from Christianity. Go right ahead.
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Jews (y’know, the people for whom the “OT” was written) DON’T HAVE a “Holy Trinity”. Such a thing would be forbidden by their Scripture.
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Your faith means nothing to me, just as someone else’s faith in Mithras or Loki would mean nothing to you. I have faith that there is no God/god(s)/goddess(es). You obviously aren’t able to understand that. You don’t have to – it has nothing to do with you. Be and let it be.
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I DON’T care what the Bible says. It’s nothing more than violent and smutty fiction to me. It’s not even that interesting as a study of Mythology, since so many Bible stories and figures are poorly-disguised copies of earlier religions. The only time I even refer to the Bible is when Christians selectively quote it in their attempts to push their fluffy version of God onto non-Christians. As I said, I don’t mind letting preachy Christians know WHY they usually fail to convert people. Plus, I think people who are being preached at deserve to know what’s REALLY in the book with which they’re being thumped. I state what I know and believe.
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I DON’T care that the Bible contains bunches of errors and contradictions. YOU repeatedly ASKED for some, so I presented a few. If you don’t want to read about Bible errors, DON’T ASK others to post about them. Seems simple enough.
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You CAN’T irritate me or make me uncomfortable. To my knowledge, your beliefs don’t hurt anyone, nor have I seen anyone claim that they do. As long as you don’t actually OBEY God as per the Bible, I’m sure you’re quite harmless. If irritating non-Christians truly is NOT your intent, though, I suggest you stop preaching at them and mind your own spiritual business.
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Why are you calling yourself a “lowly believer”? I merely responded to YOUR REPEATED REQUESTS about errors in the Bible. Note that *I* didn’t accuse YOU of having a heart defect because of YOUR beliefs. Did YOU return the favor? NOPE.
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LOL – where in the world did you get the idea that you have “enraged” me? ROFL! I truly DON’T care what your beliefs are, or what you think of mine. This is JUST a simple discussion. NOT a big deal AT ALL. Just READ the words on the screen. There’s really no need to add the melodrama.

The list of replies is much too long for me to go back and pick out particular posters. However, a common theme among the posts of the obvious Christians is that “salvation”, “Heaven”, and all the other promises of happiness, peace, love, blah, blah, blah are “Gifts from God”.

Well, I don’t know about the rest of you, but when I give someone a “gift”, it is freely given – no strings, no conditions, no test of worthiness. I just give them the gift.

So my question is, why does an allegedly omnipotent god need to place restrictions and qualifiers on his “gifts” to humanity? If he really loved all humanity so much that he was willing to sacrifice his own progeny for them – then why not skip that and just forgive them all anyway? Why not open the gates of Heaven and let EVERYONE in?

A gift is something given from the heart, with no expectation of anything in return, and given because you want to make the recipient happy. A “gift” with strings attached is bribery.

laugh, and try to convince yourself that there is no God if it helps you to sleep.

thereisnoGod…I seem to have really gotten off on the wrong foot. I do seem to have irritated you somehow as evidenced by all the capital letters in your post to me. Did I really get preachy? i don’t think so. To be preachy I would have had to say outright that you are wrong and going to hell because of nonbelief. Did I? Nope. Am I saying it now? Nope. Just making a point. Did I say you had no faith? Nope. You do not know what my comment about faith was going to be because I did not type it. Faith does come in many different packages, mine just happens to be in God. I am interested in the “mistakes” in the Bible. Did I read them? Yes. Did I think about them? Yes. These do not seem to be “mistakes” to me, because my faith led me to my truth. I will not post again on this subject because somehow my intent has gotten mixed up with what others have been posting and “preaching”. I truly regret that you are mistaken about me. I hope your life is prosperous and happy and that you find the answers to all your questions about truth.

Tov:
I agree 100%. It would be nice if everyone kept their personal beliefs to themselves.
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A Believer:
Non-Christians don’t need to understand the Bible, just as Christians don’t need to understand he Bhagavad Gita.
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Preachy Christians sure don’t seem to have a problem with taking just one or two verses out of context, “therefore changing the entire meaning of the message through misrepresentation” when they do it themselves in their attempts to push Jesus onto people who have chosen other faiths.
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Kirk:
Matthew 5:22 “. . . whosoever shall say, ‘Thou fool’, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
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A Christian Jew:
Study of the Bhagavad Vita can reveal many truths. Ask people who have dedicated their lives to the discovery of these truths. It doesn’t hurt to ask.

TO ALL ATHEISTS: If God does not exist, who or what set off the Big Bang? It is an accepted, scientific principle that nothing can BE in motion unless it is SET in motion. Whether or not you believe in a religious deity, and even if you don’t believe in the Bing Bang theory, our universe as we know it must logically have had a first cause, whether that prime mover be caled God, Allah, or the Great White Spirit. Any arguement to the contrary is foolhardy and defies scientific logic.

Ron:
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FYI, NOT all atheists believe in the Big Bang. Atheists’ beliefs vary, just as Christians’ beliefs vary.
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Furthermore, the ONLY thing the term “atheist” tells you is that the person believes that gods do not exist. From the Greek, a=without; theos=god. It DOESN’T tell you what else he/she may believe, or what kind of person he/she is, etc.
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Similarly, the ONLY thing the term “Christian” tells you is that the person believes that Jesus is the son of God. It DOESN’T tell you what else he/she may believe, or what kind of person he/she is, etc.
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If you believe that God exists, WHO or WHAT created God? If matter producing the Big Bang had to have had a first cause, then logically, GOD must have had a first cause, too.
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What makes you think the Biblical God created the universe, when it is just one of HUNDREDS of creation beliefs? Perhaps the universe was created when Nyx laid a golden egg containing Eros, or when the Sky Woman fell through a hole and landed on the back of a Giant Turtle. Maybe it happened when Niflheim and Muspelheim merged to form Ymir and Audhumla, or when Tepeu and Gucumatz thought it into existing. There’s no more evidence of the God story than of any of the others.

AmeriKKKans are so uneducated about the rest of the world that they think their beLIEfs are “normal”. Nearly 80% of the McUSA might be Christian, but 2/3rds of humanity are NOT CHRISTIAN. And even saying 1/3 IS Christian means lumping together: Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Pentacostals, Quakers, Amish, and etc. . . . most of whom don’t consider each other “real” Christians.

Your loving god going to send more than 2/3rds of humanity (assuming ALL “Christians” get in)? I don’t have such a pessimistic and dark view of the universe, I don’t think we live in such a twisted and sick place that a vain deity says “Flatter and Praise me, or you’ll be TORTURED in HELL for ETERNITY!”.

You are welcome to your own bizarre views of a carrot and stick wielding ruler, but please keep them the hell out of any influence over the rules the govern me, the taxes I have to pay, and the wars my children could die in.

You believe what you believe because of WHERE and WHEN you were born. Period.

Am I the only one here who’s ever read anything by Marcus Borg or John Shelby Spong? I am a Christian, but I believe, as they do, that the Bible is a human response to God, rather than God speaking through a translation of a transcription of an ancient text. Borg’s probably my favorite Christian author because he doesn’t always take long-cherished traditions for granted, yet still presents a thoughtful, reasoned, and Christian point of view.

(oh yeah, one flaw: most Greek manuscripts of Romans have Paul saying, “Rarely would anyone die for a righteous man.” That makes no flippin’ sense. Of course someone would die for a righteous man! Obviously there was some scribal error at some point, as the George Lamsa translation of the Aramaic version has him saying exactly the opposite: “Rarely would anyone die for a wicked man.”)

(and one common thread between the Tanakh, New Testament, and the Qur’an: all three teach charity toward the poor, the widow, and the orphaned. The OT prophets claim Israel got conquered because they wouldn’t do it; Jesus names it as a direct act of kindness towards him; and the Qur’an names it as a ticket to salvation.)

Here’s something I posted on a forum about why I’m not a XIAN anymore. The forum has emoticons which I used to portray myself and my nun teacher. The :wave: pulls in a smiling happy fave and the :joshua: pulls in a sad figure who never questions anything. So here it is minus the emoticons.

Here’s why I’m no a Xian:

I went through 12 years of Catholic school starting in the early 1960s.

My initial doubts about Xianity began in the first grade because of my fascination with dinosaurs. The bible and XIAN faith had no way of explaining dinosaur remains in a 6000 year old world, so they always just changed the topic when you brought it up. That set off my BS alarms.

Here is a series of conversations I had with the nuns and priests at my school and parish.

Teacher, why is humanity so terrible that it must be saved or otherwise be doomed to roasting in hell like chestnuts over a fire for three back-to-back-eternities?
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The reason for this is Original Sin. We are all born in Original Sin because at the beginning a naive teenaged bimbette ate the fruit of a forbidden tree. Since god is a sadistic psychopath, he didn’t just stop at just punishing her but decided to punish everyone born after her for all eternity unless they bowed down before him.
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Teacher, but what about all the people who were born before Jesus lived and who never heard about how Xianity could save them?
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They are all burning in hell now.
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Teacher, what about all the billions of souls who grew up in other religions? Are they all in hell too?
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Yes, of course. Where else could they be, child?
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Teacher, what about newborn babies who die before being baptized? They are sinless.
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They go to purgatory (limbo?) for 500 or 5000 years first to make amends and then are let into heaven through the back door and given menial jobs cleaning toilets and cooking.
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Teacher, I don’t get why god metes out infinite punishment for finite transgressions. I mean if I was god even Hitler and Stalin would only roast in hell for maybe 100K years. An eternity roasting in the hell-fires seems unfair for a soul whose only crime was being born a Buddhist or Hindu or Native American.
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Hush now, if you keep asking these questions, god will send you straight to hell. LOL!
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~ The End

If you don’t find such a religion morally repellent then…well then that explains why you are a Xian.

Here’s what I believe:

To believe in a god requires faith. Faith, by its very definition, requires no evidence and circumvents all arguments. Faith is a rare absolute: it either is, or is not. Trust is the shade of gray between the black and white absolutes of faith.

Only those who are in conflict with themselves seek conflict with others. They trust an idea of a god, but do not fully understand it. They will never find faith in a god by applying logic to the god because if a god is eternal, then it is absolute and transcends all argument. They argue themselves into a corner. A person who has faith does not seek to defend their faith, for they realize that it need not be defended. Nor do they (or should they) seek to spread their faith to others, for they realize that faith is personal, and unique to each individual.

Books are not absolute, they are finite, and therefor cannot describe or understand the nature of an infinite god. Similarly, one cannot have faith in a book, because faith is also an absolute, where the book is not. Books can only be trusted, because just as a book can have more or less pages, so too can trust have greater or lesser degrees. There is no absolute trust.

The problem arises hence: The idea of any god derives itself from books and those who read them (or write them).

I apologize for my spelling mistakes btw.

Thereisnogod:

Keep up the good fight though I think it is probably a waste of your time. bemo isn’t really interested in reading anything that would endanger his/her belief system (and, therefore, their sense of self).

I don’t know how anyone could believe in a deity that is so painfully incompetent when it comes to communicating with its’ followers. Even Crom was better at communicating with Conan than any of the gods that are believed in by the desperate, fearful, somewhat pathetic theists living today. I guess omnipotence and omniscience isn’t as great as it sounds.

I also find it amusing that there are believers here disparaging science on a tool (a computer and the internet) that is purely the product of science. Talk about living with blinders on.

Finally, if a fool is someone who denies god’s existence then what would you call someone that lives their life based on a fantasy? Insane? Morally bankrupt (since they apparently can’t live their lives morally without fear of retribution or the guarantee of an eternal payoff)?

I gotta go… my unicorn needs to be groomed before I go out for a ride. I just wish my wife would stop loaning out the pegasus and my hippogrif is in the shop.

http://www.nobeliefs.com

In regard to the question by Christians “Can you explain the Big Bang to me”, I find it easiest to first ask if the questioner understands calculus. When the inevitable answer of “No, and what does that have to do with anything” comes back, I simply say “You are obviously too stupid and uninformed to understand the answer, so no, I cannot explain the Big Bang to you.”

“Only those who are in conflict with themselves seek conflict with others.”
That is perhaps the most profound thing I’ve read on the whole dang blog…

As someone who was raised as a Catholic but has been cast astray by my own personal belief in a kinder and morce compassionate “God,” I find it interesting to read ALL of the bantering…

I appreciate TING’s eloquent rebuttals, Bob’s devotion and bemo’s pleas… as for me, agnostism is probably the healthiest description to hold on to… although I do take a level of satisfaction in my intuited vision of Jesus as a great person whose message has been used to create great good as well as desperate devastation… I wish more of his followers as well as the devotees of the prophet Mohammed (may he rest in peace) would somehow find a way to keep World War 3 from ruining the lives of my beautiful children.

Since nobody’s taken on one repeated misconception about non-JudeoChristian belief systems that keeps cropping up, I may as well for the lulz. There is no recorded instance in any European pre-Christian belief that condemns non-believers to eternal damnation. The concept of salvation from sin is a Christian one. Judaism doesn’t even really do that; the laws are for the Jews. The goyim take care of their own. I’ve done a little looking into African native belief systems, and it’s much the same. Ditto Native American and other aboriginal faiths. Christianity and Islam are pretty peculiar in their “our way or the fire way” approach to religion. My gods don’t care if you believe in them or not; they just prefer you spell their names correctly when you claim they’re demons or non-existent. It makes it easier for them to laugh at the presumptuousness of the concept.

I love the verses in 1 Samuel and 2nd Samuel where it talks about Jonathan and Davids gay love affair. 1st Samuel 18: 1-4, 19:2, 20:30, 20:41 and 2nd Samuel 1:26. David was the one mortal man on Earth who was believed to be closest to the mind of God. He was also one of Jesus’ ancestors.

In Bible studies, participants should study the history of the making of the Bible. If they just study what is in the Bible, they are just BRAINWASHING each other of what is in the bible.

Who wanted to create the Bible? How was it created? Where did all the books come from and who wrote them? How many books or stories were considered and how were the books or stories selected for inclusion to the Bible?

The dead sea scrolls only prove that some old, old stories written centuries ago survived.

Any book that starts with a God creating the universe in SIX DAYS is FICTION.

I continue to be amazed at the proven fact that many non-Christians are more conversant with the Bible and the associated history than are so-called Christians, who actually believe in the stuff.

I’d love to see a preacher tackle Ezekiel, the bears and the 42 children. Heinlein did in “Stranger in a Strange Land.”

Also, how could we forget the Songs of Solomon?

“Also, I’m athiest, and I’m not wrong, I’m logical. ”

Judy,

Logical? When, as an atheist, you “don’t believe in” something that doesn’t exist?

You know, in the old days they considered those Christians a BATS*** INSANE cult. Amazing how nothing has changed when I look at some of the comments on this post. Nice, sane Christians? Where are you? Why do you so rarely comment as a voice of reason?

What is also interesting is that apparently one of the most common instults on this list is “you stupid.” You know, dismissing arguments isn’t the same as disproving them. Also, hello? kindergarten much? why not add ‘you smell!” to your remarkable comebacks?

This argument has been going on for millenia and will continue to go on. Yet all of you think your view point is so unique. ‘But they don’t beeeeeeeeelieveeeeeeee x fact/idea! It’s because they have never heard my BRILLIANT RHETORIC!’ You’re all interesting in convincing or damning and there is so little listening going on… yet you all claim it’s a “dicussion.”

Szin:
Thanks for the encouragement, but it’s NOT a fight – at least, I don’t see it as one. Explaining to preachy busybodies why I would never worship the heinous Hitleresque God of the Bible is NEVER a waste of my time.
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Like any other Christian, Bemo is free to believe whatever he/she wants, even if it is based upon ignorance and trickery – but he/she/they need to be rebutted and reminded that they are NOT free to force those beliefs on anyone else. Like Muslim extremists, gullible Christians will continue to spew UNTIL more non-Christians speak up and take the time to educate them as to what the Bible REALLY says, and WHY it is so abhorrent to us.
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seeker:
Thanks for the compliment. Not sure why, but your comment reminds me of a great quote:
“Imagine the ego of the human race, to consider themselves so grand, as to warrant a creator worthy of praise.” – Robert Brunswick Jr.
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Nyarl21:
Consider this, too: Jesus was unmarried, spent much of his time lovingly washing 12 other men, and hung out with a slutty woman with whom he (supposedly) didn’t have sex. Hmmm.
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ColorMeSurprised:
Based upon my experience, the “nice, sane” Christians tend to consider their religious beliefs a PRIVATE, PERSONAL matter (just as Jesus said they should), and therefore, are less likely to be found making a nuisance of themselves by bleating about God, etc. in public.

Ever since I read the Gnostic Gospels in the early eighties, I realized I was a Gnostic, and a main line of gnostic knowledge is that the church has over many years rewritten the bible to support their pyramid scam, just look up Ezra, not the book of the bible but the scribe who had to recreate the bible after it was completely destroyed, the bible was written by the hand of men for their own benefit, but would you rather believe in a God and be wrong or Not believe in a God and be wrong, one has many more consequences than just feeling stupid after your dead, and choosing to be an atheist is about as stupid as it gets, unless you live your life by burning bridges, then I guess it makes alot of sense to not believe in more than your own ego. Practice Peace

mmykl:
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Not believing in “God” INCLUDES not believing that he barbecues people for all eternity, or any of that other shameful and disgusting Bible/church nonsense. Those of us who are HONEST wouldn’t PRETEND to believe in a God/god/goddess when we DON’T. If any deity existed, he/she would likely know who was faking it anyway – so obviously, pretending to believe is what would REALLY be stupid. I don’t believe in the existence of leprechauns or Odin “just in case”, either. You are free to do so, if you are a “sky is falling” type of person.
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I personally would rather not worship the heinous God of the Bible for ANY reason. It has nothing to do with ego – it is because of my PRINCIPLES and MORALS (look them up if they are foreign concepts to you). If I end up barbecued for not worshiping a Hitler-God who commands his followers to kill, kidnap, and rape people, so be it. I’d rather be in “Hell” than in “Heaven” with that kind of evil, or with the kind of people who would condone and promote it/him. Enjoy!

I am not really all that bad you know.

God:
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Tell your biographers that. Obviously, they disagree.

It is true that Bhagavad-Gita, and many other religions, with enough study can have much to teach us, though the lack of true happiness and true sadness must make it hard to live with others who don’t understand such faith. But then again, when someone doesn’t understand someone else’s faith, or the reason for having that faith, everyone suffers through lack of knowledge. It is good to study all religions/beliefs. It doesn’t mean you believe in them, or you even agree with any small part of them, but it helps to know those you may face one day, and to maybe find that which may have been hidden from you. Obviously you feel the same? I am also a student of the original languages of the Bible, and Hebrew, and there are many others that I know, and don’t know, who can read the Bible in the original texts.

Here are some other interesting Bible verses.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
(Rev 21:8)
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3)
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
(1 Cor 6:9-11)
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment
(Heb 9:27)
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
(Exo 20:3-17)
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
(Matt 5:27,28)
Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
(Matt 5:21,22)
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
(James 4:6)
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(1 Cor 15:3,4)
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
(John 1:12)
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Rom 6:23)
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us
(Rom 5:8)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(Rom 10:9)
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
(Luke 13:3)
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
(Luke 6:46)
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(Luke 7:18-23)

Face the fact. One day you will die. You have broken God’s Law by either lieing, lusting, using God’s name in vain, hating, dishonoring your parents and etc. You are guilty before God. You deserve to go to hell. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus.
Turn away from your sinful lifestyle once and for all, and have a desire to have nothing to do with sin. Confess all your sins to God and ask Him for forgiveness on the basis that He sent His only Son to die on the Cross for your sins. Make Jesus your Lord and Saviour. Live for Him and give God complete control of your life.

If you want to talk to me(I’ll talk to anyone, even if they hate me) you can add me msn pathtolight@hotmail.com or email me there.

Heyy. This is pretty funny stuff. I adore the whole “forty-two youths mauled by bears” thing. Heheh. They actually have a book of the bible that is everything inbetween Jesus’s birth and adulthood. Hasn’t anyone ever noticed that entire part is missing? Heh. It’s really weird and funny. My friend Aimz was reading it to her bible-beating relatives on Christmas. Needless to say, they won’t be coming over again any time soon. Heh.

I know the truth, and I have written it in the book called the “Shmible”.

God created many many worlds(why else would he make the universe so huge?) and told them to worship his as a way to amuse himself. Only the planet that worships him the most will go to heaven and the other will be destroyed. This is why the “all powerful and good” god is so flawed.

God is really just a bored fat kid looking for amusement and this is the way hes doing it. For more info wait till the Shmible gets published.

Hi all,
1/I scrolled down the list of responses to these verses, also looked up some of the texts as written. If read from other translations some of these are not as ‘funny’ as first appears — try comparing texts.
2/Those of you who reject God may not really be rejecting God but a misconception of Him. He has a different formula for each one of us, knows where we were born and what has made us what we are, and I am so glad that He is our judge and not some of those on this site .
3/If you have the slightest inclination to know God (and there is plenty of evidence for Hie existence if you care to search) I urge you, please, encounter Him. You will gain something from knowing Him that you never dreamed possible, no matter how skeptical you are. If you don’t take the challenge, yours is the loss. Christianity is not just a set of beliefs as most religions are, it is a relationship with a living God who cares intensely about His people.
4/My personal experience has been that God is a delight, a support, a light for my journey through life. Whether you believe it or not, that is my experience. A couple of miracles have happened to me in my life (a real being sent in circumstances when there was no earthly possibility of there being a human in that place), and an angel who control the wheel of my boat when I was in trouble at sea. Bad things have often happened to me as well lbut I know that God is with me and helping me to grow in spite of them. If I am deiscouraged I just think back to the times when He has helped me in the past, and others’ experiences too.
5/Those who ridicule the belief that there is a God and that He created this world from nothing might want to examine their own beliefs. Do you believe that Somebody plus Nothing equals Everything? Or do you prefer to believe that Nothing plus Nobody equals Everything? If the latter, then your faith is infinitely greater than mine!
Cheers.

I totally agree with GypsyJudy.

gee wiz…..I thought this web site was on ten verses never preached on. I personally liked the one about the roll…..that’s because I have given up bread temporarily. I know that the roll it speaks of is a scroll…but it sure did sound funny just by itself!! I have heard the oh bald head, and some of the others. This web site should of been named most interesting Bible verses. There is no since in arguing over who is right and wrong…you will not convince anyone through postings like this….I do find it interesting that so many “athiests” and non-christians are going to a web site about Bible verses though.
VERRRY Interesting.

Thereisnogod:, i got to tell you, my parents are religious to the bone, and i remember growing up i will read the bible a lot, and i always used to say to myself, I’m not afraid of Satan, I’m afraid of God, if i dont do what he wants he will kill me and my family and so on. Just a note for you, take care

everyone else that got something to say about what i wrote, go pluck yourselfs and leave me alone

Mark 3:29

“but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin ”

guys watch out what you say cos there is escape from the wrath of God.

KJV: Matthew 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

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To all the angry Christians:
I sympathise at your frustration at parts of your holy book being taken out of context, but that is the point of this thread. If the Bible can be made to say “cut off your foreskins with a flint”, it can also be made to say other crazy things like “kill all the gays”. Christians are just as guilty of taking the Bible out of context as Atheists are.

one small mistake in my previous reply…. I mean there is NO escape from the wrath of God……. Please note the correction…. thanks…

ALL you guys are sadists……… believe it or be left out……

Wow… does anyone else note the strong similarity in number five between what Zipporah did, and what zippers continue to do to this very day? Similar names too…
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Oh, btw, because no random post is good without a shameless plug, (sorry)
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( http://www.venganza.org )
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Or, aid secular humanists such as yourselves in extending a kind hand to recently disgraced evangelical minister Ted Haggard.
( http://www.letter2ted.org )
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Jingles
Random, with bells on!

You shouldn’t do drugs before you read the Bible, it definitely affects your translations. When written, …”the evening and the morning were” is what constitutes a day, you understand, that same 24 hour period that has a morning and an evening. God made “light” and God divided the light from the darkness. In verse 14, God said that the he wanted something to be causing the light, something that would be used for signs, for seasons, for days and for years. You see, God made the light, then He made the sun, the stars, and the moon (lights) that would be giving the light (the light that HE made). It is explained in verses 15 through 18. You should try reading ALL of the chapter.

In Genesis 1: 26, the KJV states “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…..” and then in Genesis 1:27 states “So God created man in his ‘own’ image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. A clear mind can understand this with no problem. God had made all the creatures, things with no soul, but decided to make a man and a woman, creatures with souls, with higher intelligence than all He had created. You seem to forget that before man, there were angels. Angels may not be in God’s likeness, and that is why the Bible clearly states that He created man in HIS OWN IMAGE. God is not in the physical form that we are, but in Genesis 2:7, God gives man a physical form, and thus man became a “living” soul, as opposed to the form of angels and God.

As for your reference to Matthew 27:46, where is it stated that this is the last words of Jesus? Reading Matthew 27:50, it states “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.” It doesn’t state WHAT Jesus said when he cried out, but Jesus obviously says something else. As for the next two verses you reference, Luke 23:46, this is Jesus telling his father that he is ready to die, and that is because his work is finished, his work that was prophesied that he would do while he walked the earth as a man. Where is the contradiction in the two verses? The verse in John is saying the same as the verse in Luke.

(admin edit – no insults from believers please)

Damn, that’s a lot of comments to scroll through.

Nuuuuuuurg.

::cracks open a 40, and begins reading::

NEVER MOCK GOD!

Make a personal reflection about this. Very interesting, read until the end…

It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7): “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Here are some men and women who mocked God:

JOHN LENNON:
Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
“Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, Today we are more famous than Him” (1966). Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

TANCREDO NEVES (President of Brazil ):
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency.
Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

CAZUZA (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet):
During a show in Caneco ( Rio de Janeiro ), whilst smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said:
“God, that’s for you.”
He died at the age of 32 of AIDS in a horrible manner.

THE MAN WHO BUILT TITANIC:
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said:
“Not even God can sink it”
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.

MARILYN MONROE:
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her. After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
“I don’t need your Jesus”.
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.

BON SCOTT:
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
“Don’t stop me, I’m going down all the way, down the highway to hell”.
On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit.

CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005
In Campinas, Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter – holding her hand, who was already seated in the car:
“MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU.”
She responded:
“ONLY IF HE (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, CAUSE INSIDE HERE IT’S ALREADY FULL”
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the boot was intact. The police said there was no way the boot could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the boot was a crate of eggs, none were broken…..
Boot means trunk .

Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive.

JESUS!!!

Guys I have done my part, now you will be answerable to God on the day of Judgement so beware!!!!!!

Jesus said
“If you are embarrassed about me, I will also be embarrassed about you before my father.”

What benefit does it have, if a man gains the whole world but loses his soul? What can man give in exchange for his soul? (Matthew 16:26).

Just for the record, there are hundreds of thousands of different religions in the world, and most of them are absolutly convinced that they are right, and everyone else is wrong…so how on earth can you possiblly say with such certainty that atheists are wrong? I love the good Christians- my famaily is full of them! They tell you to be kind to all, then damn you as soon as you mess up. How forgiving!

Just for the record,I would like to say that wiccans are not athiest, nor are they satanists. they believe in an ultimate power, which means thay arte not atheist, and they don’t even believe in satan. They believe in dark and light powers, and a witch has the choice to go anyway they want, with the knowledge that karma will come back to them. You may disagree with this, but at least we aren’t denying entrance to our afterlife based on the status of your testicles….lmao!

Just so you know, the fact is that there are no right or wrong religions. But if you are going to preach that christianity is the most holy churches, then you should read the bible. There are the most pornographic stories in the bible than any adult filmmaker could ever produce. In my own oppinion the Bible is a load of … manure. It has been edited through so many generations that you never know what “god” really said, or what is a matter of peoples own twisted opinions. So you can’t say that you are right because the bible says so. Just let everyone have there own religions and be happy. Maybe if I worte that god was for gay marriage in the bible than the government would change its opinions. Do you think that is right? No. Its just a matter of oppinion. I am for gay marriage and I dont see how letting them marrie will hurt us in any way, shape or form. Gosh, just get over your hot heads and let people be themselves without the fear of persecution.

My last comment was not toward Heather, but toward everyone who may visit this page.

Definitely, and also what the lid is good for

you might get a lil taste into a few background stories

secret of the arc
search that on google video, pretend its a cheap documentry and its just ridiculous,
but imagine in all the possibilities in this universe, we are really happening

Thank you for your time,

this is from you in a different state of mind at sometime or another

This comment is full of logical fallacies. i wont even start to pin point them. you speak with such passion, yet you have nothing but hate to be passionate about. if you read the whole bible yourself im sure you would know there is far more to it than distruction and killing. you called God “evil”, wow, get a life. Jesus died for you and i, not for “no reason”, but so we can live eternally (after death). It took that loss, for us to gain. again if you read the whole bible, you would understand that. And the bible in no way leads people to a life of crime, which you imply. look at the prison system, full of non-believers such as yourself. its not full of christians and bible readers… but i love them all the same.. as a matter of fact, i love you, and thats what the bible has taught me to do, love everybody no matter what, no matter if they are christian athiest buddist or whatever. i love them because God loves them. thats what i learned from the bible…

I have trully read the Bible, i have also attended anumber of preaching sessions and rallies. about adam eating the apple, i have only had the literal meaning of the action and no interpretation to that respect.

They are real but they are taken out of context, and if you only look at one sentence in any book there is no way you will understand it so why try and do it with the Bible?

Again, this a Bible verse taken out of context.

to all the no believers, no matter how much time you spend trying to justify your apparent belief that there is no God. let me tell you the that the laws of God it is writen in your harts not just in the bible. do some homework if you want to sound smart. even heathens know how to give good gifts. and no amount of shaking ,talking, swearing will ever change the words of God because that is the only thing that is above God and set forever . it is easier for the earth and heavans to fade away than the words of God. And to those you really believe that all religions are in truth right .i am very sorry for you. you cannot have fellowship with devils. only via the holy spirit of God you can learn. and only through jesus christ can you have eternal life . so to all the roman catholics- who love mary the mother of God.she is dead.- let the dead deal with the dead.dead. dead. dead. i dont remember mary being raised after she died.scientologists- athiests- all pagans , it is a scary thing to fall into the hands of the living God. God is a jelous God. muslims are going to answer just like every other christian that is stagnant. begin by reading gen-1 .there everyone will find the true meaning of our creation as human beings and our sole purpose. let them have dominion over the earth not God not the angels not the demons. but through sin we lost our right to the world so satan stole it . only through prayer can one reconnect with God. i really think athiests are either very lazy people blinded by there own pains that they cant handle failure. or they are in denial!!! i can imagine. if you honnestly challange God to become part of your life , pray that you will stand upstraight when he reveals himself to you. its a whole lot of fun. God bless all of you wierd people. i truely loved the humor that i found on this site. luv ya all and remember- God – imagine what that can mean. see it believe it and live it

hey.. that video was hilarious.. well.. i got a kick out of it anyway.. you make good points

Rite what the Bible is is random words added to each other constently to make something that dull and boring that 70% of the world give in and believe because its easier than actually reading the bible itself. Ive also noticed that there is a random number added at the end of like evry fifth sentece what the hell is rong with the world its a load of crap!

If everything must be set in motion by something then God would have had to be set in motion to. So where did God come from? What set him in motion? It’s a puzzle because you’re allways going to be lead the fact that something was there forever. That there’s one thing that hasn’t been set in motion ever; it’s allways been there. How does that work?

then they’re not very good christians, I would say!

Just for the record, there are not that many religions in the world. It is true that those who follow a religion are convinced that they are right. Logically all religions could be wrong but since none of them follow the same doctrine, only one of them could be right. Only one has ever claimed to be God, creator of everything! Jesus Christ! Historians agree about the timeline of the life of Jesus, dates, cultures etc. Many writers of the era write about Jesus. The writers of the Gospels gave over their lives to carry on the teachings of Jesus because they beleived He was God. They also happened to be eye witnesses to His death and resurection. Paul was so moved by what he saw that he went from killing Christians to leading the ministry to save the non Jewish people. (Gentiles) The bible is a very well supported historical writing. I would like to challenge anyone and everyone to explore christianity with an open mind.
A great place to start is a couple of books written by Lee Strobel. An atheist who tried to prove Christianity wrong. Try “Case for Christ” and “Case for Creator”. “Case for Christ” is about the historical facts and “Case for Creator” is for the science minded people who want to cling to the silly notions of evolution, big bang , natural selection, and random existence. As for me, I will follow Jesus Christ!

Check out ” Case for Creator ” Lee Strobel

I am a Pastor and have been for over 20 years and I must say I loved the list. There are wierd and strange stories in the Bible and sadly most Christians have never heard of these stories.

The Bible can be very graphic at times. While I enjoyed the list i was sad by many of the responses. Christians getting very preachy and Athiests very angry and fixated on the Bible.

I have never tried to bully someone into believing what i do and I have the deepest respect for the religions of the world. I do share my faith but the person is free to listen or not, free to accept or not and I will listen to them share their faith.

As i read the comments my observation was that many of the Athiests and Christians were acting in simular ways. As a follower of Jesus I will share the love of God and try to live it out. I will leave judging to God who is much better qualified than I.

I wish you all blessings and thank you for the list

Wow your right, that is hillarious… perhaps you could explain how your “merciful” God finds disbelief such a terrible sin. Is thinking about things before you believe them really such a crime in his eyes? When we Atheists are judged is He going to say “How DARE you examine the evidence, How DARE you come to these conclusions, your human fallibility will be punished with an eternity of Hellfire”? Merciful?

Perhaps Atheists are wrong (we’re not), but after a lifetime of advancing human understanding of God’s universe, of the noble quest to reduce human suffering, surely we are to be more blessed than those “I’m a christian because if I wasn’t God would punish me”.

Do yourself a favour, examine the evidence, objectively, as i have, if you still belive then i’m sure God will bless you, if you find that you cannot he’s hardly going to damn you for your mistake (after all he didn’t make you infallible).

If that doesn’t persuade you, what happens if the muslims are right? Surely Allah’ll damn you good.

what if you end up in muslim hell? or in nordic hel or any other sort? what if the the vikings were right and odin is laughing at your folly from valhalla? you have even more a chance of being wrong when you bring up probabilities. HA beware the wrath of the spaghetti monster, he is a vengeful god.

i dont think you have a very advanced grasp on determinism or indeterminism, for that matter, otherwise you would not have grouped random existence with natural selection and evolution. wow… i am in awe of your ignorance. surely someone as well read as you would have a grasp on logic 101. omg

why wouldnt god, in his infinitum wisdom, give us the ability to use logic and thinking, if he demanded blind faith? why would he not make his existence obviously necessary and thus logically consistent? and why is the universe theorhetically able to function without his existence?

the fact is, there is no good reason to suppose the existence of god, it is unneccessary. ockhams razor, people.

and… why is it written about israelites and not humankind at large? why were they the chosen people?

oh yeah, because mediterranean/mideastern tribes often warred and saw their patron gods as warring as well…

elaborate?

umm… they were operating on a lunar calendar…
12 lunar “years” per solar year. divide those numbers by 12 and they are a bit more reasonable.

have these christians read the whole bible? it is riddled with inconsistencies, as books by multiple authors from multiple time periods are bound to be… so much for divine inspiration, eh?
there is no possible way to believe the whole bible, it is a logical fallacy even within the context of its own mixed up pseudo-logic. unless, of course, you have no problem with believing at least two mutually exclusive concepts to be true at the same time, in which case i would say you are suffering from a sort of doublethink and should probably seek therapy

attention: this post is divinely inspired.

god is typing through me to tell you that christianity is wrong and you are all burning in hell unless you do exactly as i say. no i dont have to give you any reason, i have god on my side, do you? seriously, folks, hell is really really bad. i dont think you want to deal with that, so just do as i say. dance, puppets, dance.

This isn’t even true for me.
I was raised Catholic.
Then I realized I only believed this because it had been shoved down my throat since the day I was born.
And I realized atheism made more sense!
And I started studying evolution!
And I finally felt good about life!!

It was simply an invitation to you to truly investigate the evidence. I have and I beleive!! He (God) also invites you through His word (the Bible) to investigate the evidence and to question what is right or wrong? I will pray for you!

I think what I find most amusing in this thread is the fact that after wasting 30 minutes of time, I am not sure I read one original thought (ok, maybe one). Most of the Christians on here quote others…or refer to another source (i.e websites, books, etc.) to defend THEIR faith.
At the same time, many of the “other side” regurgitate thoughts and skepticisms taught to them by a professor or author in order to show how “intelligent” they are. I especially love how some use really big words that they think only they understand to show their level of intelligence.
After reading this, it sure seems that most on here are guilty of the same thing…being followers. Christians follow Authors (the Bible) and Teachers (Preachers or Parents). Atheists follow Authors (their books) and Teachers (Professors or Parents).
I also get a kick out of the fact that “not” believing in God has somehow become the intelligent route. Its almost like some would say, “If you are mindless and stupid, then just have faith…but if you are really, really smart like me…then don’t”. I honestly do not see much difference at all in the two sides except in the source they are following.
I suppose my comments to both sides would be—-
Christians– Doesn’t the Bible teach that Faith is a gift from God? If so, what possible good could it do to debate and argue with people on a message board? If you are right, how about leaving these people alone, and just pray for them?
Non-Christians– If this type of God that Christians believe in does exists, do you really ever think you will reason him into existence in your own mind? If he does exist, wouldn’t faith be the only logical way to believe in him? And do Christians really bother you that much? If I don’t like something, I ignore it. You don’t see me answering the phone when a telemarketer calls, debating for an hour about their product, and then hanging up and saying, “I can’t stand those people”. I simply don’t answer the phone! I recommend you do the same, because after a while, it does start to seem like you are debating to convince yourself and not others.

you can love 99% of 10 things… but the problem is that correcting the verse made it 9/10, or 90%

nice hipocracy DJ

this thread should be stopped immediatly. argument between Christians and Atheists will never yeild anything usefull because both have completly different axioms, or basic assumptions. christians assume that god exists and atheists assume that the universe exists without god. since both assumptions can be used to explain all things then there is no definite source of proof or disproof for either assumption so all this argument boils down to is both sides stating what they feel is absolute truth very much akin to the contrarian “is not” “is to” arguments children make. you should all be ashamed of yourselves

the bible verses were funny
the argument is stupid.

surely speaking from a pluralistic relativistic society you are not trying to judge another society’s moral laws of a different time based on your perspectivistic philosophy are you? That would be the height of secular atheistic hypocrisy.

The gospel of Mark is a very quick paced book, and although that fact is not overly important here, it is noteworthy because, of all the accounts of the life of Jesus it is most concerned with straightforward accounts with little elaboration.
Immediately preceding this miracle are two events which shape how He heals this blind man, and why He does it in this particular way.
He has just fed the multitudes with a few fish and loaves of bread, twice, and yet his disciples, crossing in the boat with Him, are worried because they have nothing to eat except one loaf of bread. He sighs and asks “Do you still not see or understand? Are your hearts hardened? Do you have eyes but fail to see,…”
So when He performs the miracle He does something unusual by taking the man away from the rest of the crowd, to show his disciples that they can see, but still not understand. Then He truly heals the man so that he can clearly see, which is the nice thing to do, showing that they too will see, just maybe a little slowly.
As far as telling the man not to tell anyone, there are multiple reasons for this.
One is that Jesus was manipulating events to serve the purpose of God. He told almost everyone, including the disciples when they first figured out who He was to tell no one. It was a matter of timing. HE still had work to do.
Second is that whenever Jesus healed someone in public that was usually what He ended up doing from then on out until He left town once word got out. Again, not His only purpose here on Earth.
Thirdly, in one instance, the disobedience of a healed leper was used directly following the obedience of Peter to show that, despite not understanding the purpose of God and despite the good intentions of a person, disobedience to God is a hindrance to His purpose. Peter had been fishing all day and caught nothing. Jesus said to let down the nets one more time. Peter grumbled but said, …”because you say so…” and caught so many fish the net almost broke, while all the healed leper did was praise Jesus publicly when he had been told to keep it down. As a result Jesus had to withdraw from the town to escape the crowds, and eventually move on, slowing down His purpose there.
In this case, taken out of context does not mean just the single story in that particular chapter, but rather the whole ministry of Jesus. This is the reason people who are familiar with the Bible can use particular passages, in general, without the misunderstanding of someone who is unfamiliar. It is also what makes it so despicable and malicious an act for those who do read the Bible with the purposeful intention of using it against Christians, lively debate or honest misunderstanding aside. Not that that is the case here, but I have read some posts here to which that applies.

so you reject God because of the dogma of denominations?
even when they will all agree, with very few exception that there is only one unimpeachable belief, faith in Jesus as the Son of God, and the rest is the personal choice of how you live the life of a follower of Christ after you believe. The dogma is the decoration, it can NEVER be allowed to overcome the importance of the fact that Jesus suffered and died a horrible, painful, and humiliating death, for you (even if you believe that He was merely a mortal person) while people looked on, like the people who post here, and laughed and mocked Him. If you were there, watching, would you be one of them?

and then, rather than mock the people who believe without whatever version of adequate “proof” you think is necessary, you would mock those who still decide not to believe, and there would be those who did choose that
because, no matter what, you are right, because you are the only one who understands adequate truth and reality
and you understand the universe exhaustively
somehow
oh, wait, I forgot, science gave you all the answers, there are no unknowns there
or mistakes
except Newton’s miscalculations of planetary motion
or Einstein’s refusal to accept quantum physics
or the three reject theories of solar system formation
or, well, basically the re-theorization of almost every branch of science every 50 years or so
beside that track record sits 4000 years of consistent Judeo-Christian thought

except that all religions, except evidently Scientology, are mutually exclusive at some point

this post is entirely ridiculous. You have merely rehashed some unintelligent drivel picked up from some other source. It is in no way comparable to the logical consistency of your other posts. It is beneath what I consider your level of intelligence to say such things. I do not even believe that it is possible your own estimation that what you are saying is true, you have taken it for granted that it is so, because it seems that it must be so.
There have been books written by scholars with many letters after their names exposing the inconsistencies of the Bible, and there are just as many written by just as many scholars with just as many letters after their names proving that the inconsistencies are imagined or nonexistant.
In the New Testament alone there are over 20,000 lines of text, of these, any credible scholar, Christian or not, will allow that there are only around forty that are even possibly in dispute over meaning and content.
As one example, in the Dead Sea scrolls, the discovered fragments of text were found to be able to match exactly, word for word in most cases, with the writings previously known, and these were from Old and New Testament, from different regions, and from different time periods.

you do not know the definition of the word apologist
and I can take words out of context from a physics book

Acts 17:26-27
From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

professor Bob is very intelligent. And professor Bob is very good. He is a good minister for the religion of atheism too. However professor Bob is not quite telling you the whole story of the events that took place at that time. It wasn’t quite so cut and dried quick and easy simple as that. Perhaps professor Bob just ran out of time and space. Too bad, but maybe he treats his students with more respect than us simpletons on an internet post. I sure hope so.

have you ever tried reading the bible? try reading the new testiment, and there are many things that are not boring. if you have ever read psalms or proverbs you will know that they both talk about everyday things and how to overcome them, i know this personaly because if i have a problem i pary to God and ask him to answer me or comfort me through his word and then i just start reading through a random chapter and i always find a verse that applys to what im going through, you should try it but in order for it to work you would really need to trust that God will help you and answer your questions.

i will pray for you:)

Dude, learn how to spell before you make these public statements. This is embarrasing to me! Who cares what the subject is, just learn how to spell.

Good list. There are some doozies. Unfortunately, the things that comes out from things like this is how little we actually know about the Old Testament. This should be rectified.

You know, I think if more pastors were like that christianity wouldn’t get all the bad press that it does
blessed be

This comment is for “Jesus Freak”. So what you’re saying, let me know if I misunderstand, that when you are confronted with a struggle you can take the bible and read unitl you find a passage that relates to your current issue. If you have faith in god then you will find this relation and the verse will answer your prayer. Okay…

So in that essence, if I have enough faith and watch enough Winnie the Pooh cartoons I will eventually come across one that relates to my current struggle. These cartoons all have valuable moral lessons at the end. So I stick with Winnie and eventually he will come through and show me what I need to do to overcome my struggle.

Sounds great! Winnie the Pooh blesses you.

whats the matter Jonna, are you afraid that Jesus freak’s mother isn’t doing her job well enough or something?

… as long as you understand what they are trying to say, what difference does it make how to spell it. phonetics work both ways.

By the way… you did not use the word “dude” correctly, according to mirriam webster dictionary.

In fact, YOU qualify more as a “dude” than the person you called a dude.

sew ewe khan keiss mai (unt heis) ass.

.. ive never seen anything more judgemental.

judge not, lest ye be judged yourselves.

signed,
Mirriam

Hear hear, Pastor “scarlet”.

Interesting choice for alias, by the way

John

dearest Sean Payne ..

in your speil you said the following.

“Make Jesus your Lord and Saviour. Live for Him and give G-d complete control of your life.”

i have this for a reply

(the word of my LORD is holy to me and i shall not profane it by even typing it onto my keyboard…. hence the “-” in the word G-d”

Ummm Doesn’t G-d already control everything?..

I mean.. he made us and the universe and all the angels including lucifer (and also gave him his power)

with a thought the Lord my G-d could eliminate ALL existance.

and if G-d made the devil and gave him his power and ALLOWED (that’s right .. allowed) him to rebel (by the way.. how do you rebel when you have no free will.. i thought only us MANKIND had free will?) then obviously that bad little archangel has a part to play yet in the plan of My LORD G-d JHVH.

ok.. first of all the word “dude” means someone who is overdressed for an activity or doesnt know the “way” of the part of the world they are in (ie dude ranch)

second.. who cares how they spell as long as you understand what they meant, right?

second.. you said “these statements”… i can only find one statement (1) in this listing.

third.

ewe unt yer dikshun khan kyst mai ass.

judge not lest ye be judged (paraphrased for your convenience.

by the way.
antidisestablishmentarianism
anticonstitutionalism
anticoagulatorialis

eet mhore vegetaibels

THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE NOT BEEN “BORNE AGAIN” If you do not understand it is because no Spirit of God in you.
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” 1 Corinthians 2:14

Cheers Ehud

Big Bang, Evolution…Silly notions???? You just lost all credibility to argue based on logic and reason. Is God perfect? If so, why are his creations so f*&#Ked up?

Why turn into your own son just to die for the people you created? If GOD wanted to forgive humans for sin, couldn’t he just have said it? “Hey I forgave you guys”, GOD. BUt this doesn’t sound like the GOD that ordered Moses and the Jews to slaughter thousands of innocent men, women and children in the “promise Land” (They are still fighting). Or the God that tortured JOB just to win a bet with the Devil (pro Gambling reference, by the way). Or the GOD that flooded the earth, destroyed Sodom…Explain the Trinity again….

I believe in smart people. Evolution, science and the Big Bang. These priciples and techniques just so happen to perform miracles today: Space travel, jets, nuclear reactors, Internet, medicine…. How can you say you don’t believe in the fellows that created all that you enjoy and marvel at. In fact the computer and Internet you use to spew your delusional propaganda was invented by the same type of scientist you refuse to believe when it comes to evolution or global warming.

Faith: believing without evidence
In any other situation having faith would make you a dumb ass. Buying a used car, ordering with a credit card over the phone, buying a house, getting advice from a Doctor about a terminal prognosis. Why is it that Religion should be free from the same critical thinking afforded to everything else in one’s life? You won’t get torched or imprisoned for thinking for yourself in America, at least not yet.

PLEASE try it. http://www.richarddawkins.net

Think of all we can accomplish if we just give up the super-natural/supertitions and start thinking for ourselves. I am an Atheist and so are you! You don’t believe in Zues, Posiedon, Santa Claus, RA, or the gods of other religions present. I just go one God further, yours. Your only one God away from freedom. Let go.

The difference is that telemarketers aren’t driving my species into extiction.

Hey, Gary, keep it honest. Learn a little history, will you! Historians may generally agree on timelines vis-a-vis the life of Jusus but, the Gospel writers WERE NOT witnesses Jesus’s death and resurection. ALL Gospels were written by persons who had never met Jusus and well AFTER Jusus died! Paul admitted he had never met Jesus. That is in the Bible too.

One thing I believe everyone is overlooking is most of the stuff that is being discussed is from the Old Testament, The Old Law, The Covenant God made with Israel, The other side of the Cross.

We no longer have to abide by the Old Testament. We are to look back at it and learn from it. The apostle Paul says in Romans 15:4 “For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.”

Yet people want to continually quote Old Testament scriptures and try to use that as an example of how Christians are. There were no Christians then!

All of The Ten Commandments have been carried over to this New Testament except remembering the Sabbath.

Today, we live under the New Covenant, the new Law, the New Testament. We are living under the Law of Christ. It has “set us free from the Law of sin and death” (Romans 8:2)

The inspired writer of Hebrews tells us in Hebrews 9: 15-17
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Christ’s death on the cross ended the Old Covenant and begun the New Covenant (in which we now live – “…having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He (Christ) has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross” (Colossians 2:14)

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5:17-18 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

And Christ did fulfill the Old Law, he kept it perfectly! He fulfilled all of the prophecies made in the Old Testament made by prophets such as Isaiah and Zechariah.

Today, those that follow Christ are God’s Children.
Galatians 3:27-29 says
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

All who follow Christ and obey the Gospel Plan of Salvation set out in the New (not Old) Testament will inherit eternal life and a home in Heaven.
“Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” -Acts 4:12

God wants all to be saved. The apostle Peter said in 2 Peter 3:9 —>
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I certainly cannot and would not condemn anyone. The Lord has said He will judge all.
I, as a Christian, am commissioned to teach others about the Gospel of Jesus Christ as according to Mark 16:15-16. I also do my best to exemplify Christ by my example and my actions.

Friends, we must remember that God dealt with mankind differently in the Old Covenant than He does now, in the New Testament. His chosen people turned their back on him, after all He had done for them and provided for them. Today, many forsake God, and according to His word, will be judged for their actions while here on this earth.

Thank you for reading all the way through my post. I am interested in thought-provoking, friendly discussion. I am not interested in hateful, intolerant, ignorant rants. Please, if you have any questions about the Gospel Plan of Salvation or anything else, or just want to chat and discuss issues,

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There were and have been several misstatements on behalf of both the proponents and opponents regarding religion and atheism.

I first and foremost do not pretend to know all the answers, with that said let me put in my observations for what they are worth.

I traversed the darken, (at the time I believed to be enlightened) halls of atheism all because of a question: “what came first?” During a philosophical debate, we started down the road of what came before this and that, until I came to the question what came before God.

That sent me on five year journey of proving what came first.

Smarter’s Comment “Big Bang, Evolution…Silly notions???? You have lost all credibility to argue based on logic…” It is my friend Smarter that has in my eyes lost credibility for he/she states that another point of view is without basis because it does not rise to the level of Smarter’s flawed logic and reason.

If one is to seriously consider all the possibilities they must examine the logic and reasoning behind their dissenter’s argument and find their purpose for propounding. The fact that anyone would use the discussion of theories such as big bang and evolution as exhaustive rules to determining the creation of God as being (I will use) strayed in thought and action, (instead of explicative) is in itself incomplete.

I would simply ask one of each “Silly notion???”
1.What came before time zero in the big bang?
1.Time zero leads one to a state of nothingness where matter through decompression becomes nothing. Any entry level biologist, physiologist, or philosopher will state that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, but only changed.
2.Where is the jump from primate to humanoid, much less the trail from amoeba to primate?
In both scenarios one will find themselves perplexed by the answers to life’s questions with yet again another set of questions. Knowledge does not lay here, but we can find an answer aside from mass marked religion that leads back to God.

Aristotle in his writings on Metaphysics book 8 states he theory on the Primum Movens or the “Unmoved Mover” where Aristotle embarks on a philosophical and causal discussion of the linear movement of, really anything and describes the unmoved mover as something that is being perfectly beautiful, indivisible, and contemplating only the perfect contemplation: itself contemplating.

Another point Smarter pontificates is, “Why turn into your own son just to die for the people you created? If GOD wanted to forgive humans for sin, couldn’t he just have said it?” The simplistic answer to this question is Love. Much as a parent loves a child, God loves his child/creation. Several times throughout written history God gave redemption to the chosen people and several times the people took for granted that reconciliation.

The problem lays with man, and not God. Just like a parent I would much rather my child love me out of respect and reverence rather than a forced commitment of love. One only feels the true expression of love when it is given and received freely.

“GOD. BUt this doesn’t sound like the GOD that ordered Moses and the Jews to slaughter thousands of innocent men, women and children in the “promise Land” (They are still fighting). Or the God that tortured JOB just to win a bet with the Devil.” To Smarter and any other disbeliever, I again claim that I do not have all the answers and the fact does exist that from time to time man has “heard” the voice of God telling them to go forth and purge the land of infidels. This I do not negate nor state full acknowledgment of the reasoning, however a partial rationale is provided forthwith. Earlier in the bible God promises Noah that he personally would not completely His creation, and from time to time we find people claiming that God has told them to cleanse this or that population, and those stories have survived through many generations of oral and written tradition.

However, I would challenge you or any other individual to show me in the book of Job where God was induces any of Job’s suffering. Yes God allowed it to happed and more over the point of the story was to show as example the love I spoke of earlier. Job loved God through good times and bad, God did not force Job to love Him and that was the “bet” as Smarter called from Satan to God. The argument was based on whether or not one was truly giving God unconditional love or was that loved based on the conditions by which Job was blessed.

The Trinity as you asked to have it explained is something that is one of the mysteries of God’s nature. To explain in full would take much more time and page space (more like bookspace) than I am sure we are allowed here. In simplistic terms, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all facets of One God. An entity as I say, “If you can fit it in a box, it is not God.” Just as we all are multifaceted, I for example am a Father, Husband, Preacher, Nurse, Friend, Brother, and a Son and have the capability of being several of those things at the same time, it does not change who I am at the core. As simply stated by Popeye “I yam whatsk I yam.” Again, please forgive the simplicity of this response for such a detail and immense subject.

Smarter states “I believe in smart people. Evolution, science and the Big Bang.” and with some of this statement I can concur. I too believe in smart people. I believe that God the creator endowed people with all levels of talents and intellects. I also believe in science, for some of my religious brothers and sister, that may come as bit of a surprise, however, science is in search of Truths and the stands set by such truths. I also believe in One True God, and as a man of science and a man of religion I know as well as believe that Truth cannot contradict truth. So as we progress in our logic, reasoning and scientific methodology, we fill find that science will prove the existence of God. Where I and many of my fellow believers have difficulty in putting faith in people of science has more to do with the incessant evil that lurks in the heart of man. Many of our “Greatest” fellows have developed items that play God, through death or destruction, or are used by others to spread ideologies and theories that are of evil nature.

“to spew your delusional propaganda was invented by the same type of scientist you refuse to believe when it comes to evolution or global warming.” I think that the issue of delusional propaganda is used falsely here, at a minimum with duality.

Although, I do not doubt your belief in “the delusion” of our belief system, I fully understand your position and have come to find that truth as I once sought it was actually one delusion after another. I do however challenge you and any others that were once like me to seek the answers on their own. Do not regurgitate what others have told you and seek truth out, I believe you will find answers that are not so foreign to what I have described here.

I have already shown the flaws in evolution as described by those who are anti-creationist, and global cooling (excuse me global warming [excuse me again global climate change]) is much too easy a subject to debunk, just from the position that in the 70′s we were heading for the next great ice age, and those same scientist are now screaming that we are heading to opposite direction. They have even realized their contradictions and refer to it as climate change. (Guess what the climate has cycles.)

By no means, does debunking “Climate Change” mean we should go out and waste resources, and send additional carbon emissions into the atmosphere, we as Christians should approach the planet with an attitude of stewardship, an attitude that is lacking in some.

Smarter stated, “Faith: believing without evidence In any other situation having faith would make you a dumb ass.” (I figure it is a word in the bible so I shall repeat it here.) Albeit, faith in God is believing without “tangible” evidence, although, I could show you plenty to the contray, but you might just point and say random comsic accidents, I still cannot believe that you would be so indignant to place buying a used car on faith in the same category. It is similar to saying Columbus’ faith in the world being round is and was equal to having faith that the criminal on the other end of the phone asking for your social security and bank account numbers will not deplete your savings account. They are not even close to comparability. In terms of logic it is saying that you can successfully argue the specific to the general, which happens to be a Logic 101 no no.

“Why is it that Religion should be free from the same critical thinking afforded to everything else in one’s life?” Just because you are stuck in the Allegory of Plato’s Cave, does not mean that the world of religion is without reason, or “critical thinking. For some of us that did not come to religion quietly, religion has a great deal with critical thinking. Yes, we do take a lot on faith, we believe and ascribe a lot of miracles to the greatness of God, but some of us came there kicking and screaming through stack upon stack of reading, philosophy, scientology, and even paganism, before arriving to a very well thought critically rational believe in the primary mover of all things visible and invisible.

Christians as you say are not torched or beaten in the US, but there still is much persecution. In a land where, by the smallest margin I have seen, 78% of US citizens claim to be some sort of Christian we are forced to remove bibles from school, prayer from the ballgames, crosses from private property along roadsides. In a country that is to be governed by the principal of majority rules, the majority seems to loose a lot of ground to minority desires.

oh when i went away for doing my first chrim. Andreina Cecilio.

Regardless of what anybody believes… getting angry at somebody who believes different than you serves no good. If I am a Christian what good does it do to waste time with foolish arguments. If the atheist are so foolish then what about what Prov 16:22 says “It is folly to try to instruct a fool” If the Christians are so stupid and ignorant… then what good does it serve to tell them that you think of them as that. It is important to point out that some people with intellects far exceeding any of the people talking on this forum (including myself)… have been Atheists and Christians…. pretty amazing to think that people can be geniuses and still disagree. Being an Atheist or a Christian is not a matter of intelligence. Being once and Atheist as well as Christian (don’t feel it necessary to say which one I am now)… I have found that there are many arguments that have strong cases for both sides. I would also like to point out that Einstein believed in God and he is not the dumbest of human beings to walk this earth (although he was not a religious man.) Men such as Isaac Newton, Pasteur, Pythagorus, Pascal, and many others believed in a supernatural being as well. Clearly these men were not “ignorant” or “stupid”. Nonetheless Bill Gates, Karl Marx, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, and many others are not so “ignorant” or “stupid” either. I find it humorous that a debate over something unprovable can get so heated. The day somebody can prove that something completely invisible, intangbible, and untraceable to this universe DOES or DOES NOT exist will never come. Science, where empirical evidence is stressed, is useless in proving such an entity. We can only use logic to argue such a case. How did we get here? Well, the way I see it if you’re an atheist or a believer it requires a great deal of faith to answer this question. The big bang might be true… but could God not have caused it? If it all began at the point of singularity (which by definition is infinititely small and infinitely dense) then what could have caused such an explosion? If it just exploded for no reason… with no cause… then I see no point or matter to anything in existence (this could be the reality). If it did have a reason for exploding… in other words something caused this infinitely small and infinitely dense point to explode… then I would contend that there is purpose in this world. Einstein could not fathom how our universe could exist without a supernatural power. The supernatural could possibly explain the gap in human logic. Why cannot we not grasp eternity or infinity. We simply cannot understand anything outside the realm of everything has a beginning and everything has an end. What caused the big bang? I would also like to point out to those who might be thinking that the universe has existed forever to contemplate Newtons second law of thermodynamics… Entropy. Things tend towards disorder… there is no such thing as a perfect heat engine as one will learn in basic physics. As time passes the Universe approaches chaos… if the universe has always been here… then how is there any shred of order? I am not going to say that our universe is perfectly ordered but I will contend that it is ordered enough for life to exist at least on one planet. Onto the next subject… Why are we here? If not because of God… then does it matter? If God does not exist then neither does a set of defined moral codes… so if I was an atheist why would I bother with right and wrong and calling Christians hypocrites. Without God we are all meaningless animals just trying to survive and hopefully enjoy our life. If I was an atheist then I don’t believe I would waste my time getting mad at the lion for eating the zebra, so I don’t believe it is a good idea to get mad at the Christian for being a hypocrite. To some extent, we are all hypocrites. The atheist impose morals on Christians … when to them morals should be of no consequence because inevitably there is no ultimate authority. The Christians impose there morals on atheist… when Jesus said to love your enemies… and God also said that he hides wisdom from those who disbelieve. Yes, God hides wisdom from those who have no faith, and God also says that to those people the truth (or His truth) will seem foolish to them. Either way you look at it… worrying about what other people believe is a waste of time. Discussion, on the other hand, is the best means of learning in my opinion. I wish forums spent less time bashing and more times asking questions. The atheist has a lot to learn from the Christian as does the Christian from the atheist. They can both see eachothers flaws more than their own. I see the response to my post saying something around… then why are you posting? Why are you worried about what others believe, and what others are posting? The truth is… I enjoyed reading all of the post and feel I learned a great deal. I enjoy discussion, but I always find it gets tainted with people’s anger. Anger is a sign of inexperience. The more angry an Atheist or a Christian is… the less secure he/she is with his/her belief. I am pretty content with what I believe now so it makes no difference to me if others disagree. I don’t enjoy being attacked however, but if I am I see no point in reacting in the same manner… that reveals immaturity. As Newton says, for every action in the universe there is an opposite equal reaction… at least as humans we have a choice not to be that opposite equal reaction. Let’s try to not let our emotions get the best of us… considering this is a forum where emotion is supposed to be left out so that our intellectual understanding can grow.

Everyone has missed this one … I can’t believe it:

Numbers 5:20-22

NJB

But if is is true that you have gone astray and made yourself unclean wile under your husband’s authority, that you have made yourself unclean and that a man other than your husband has slept with you … here the priest will impose an imprecatory oath on the woman. He will say to her: … May Yahweh make you the object of your people’s execration and curses, by making your sexual organs shrivel and your belly swell! May the water of cursing entering your bowels, make your belly swell and your sexual organs shrivel! To which the woman will reply: Amen! Amen!

Science Proves bible, and God.

What if your wrong about, Islam, Judism, Hinduism, Buddism, Toaism. Or Norse, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Celtic, native American, Aztec, Inca, Aboriginal, African, Pacific mythologies. Or even Janism, Zororastranism, Manicheism, Zen Buddism, Sihkism, Rastafaranism, Samaritanism, Shinto, Confucianism, Orphism, Neo- Paganism, Scientology, I could go on.

Won’t you also be wrong for eternity? GET A GRIP OF YOUR SELF

What a bit like Palistinian sucide bombers kill Jewish children you mean? And they call this a source of morality. Morons

so you think their is a context for dashing small children against rocks? I would love to hear it.

But surley he believed they had gone to heaven, why would he need to forget about his grandchildren being in paradise? Or are you saying he had doubts?

What revises scientific thought is it religion or improved science? Look around your home and remove everything that was developed by science if you really believe in its unreliabilty, for a start turn of your computer.

As for the idea that because ideas are old therefore they are right, I mean come on. Slavery was believed to be right in every society for thousands of years, including every christian society, did that make it right. GET A GRIP OF YOUR SELF

As for consistent Juedo- Christian thought, do you still stone adulterers or burn heritics or witches I could go on.

Go on then, but if you do you will burnt as a heritic. HA HA

Explain to me where God came from, if God needs no explanation then neither does the universe. (Wiggle out of that one, oh yeah God exist outside the universe, based on what evidence? Oh yeah, no evidence, not even the bible.)

The truth is that scientists do not know where the “stuff” came from YET. But just because science doesn’t know everthing that does not mean it knows nothing. This is just the usual religious con job of trading on current ignorence to try and prove a point, as if lack of sceintific knowledge proves god. I am reminded of the countless generations who worshiped the sun and the moon, due to ignorance. And even when scientist do discover were the “stuff” comes from, you will argue, ah, but what caused the cause, whilst conveniently failing to apply the causation logic to your imaginary friend, and when you do apply it you will back it up with words like ” but he has always existed” as if statments were somehow the same as evidence based facts.

so what your saying is that the bible isn’t the literal word of God but the metaphore of God hes very obscure for a supreme being you would think he would be more concise.

plenty of people have died for you WWII ring any bells

What do you do with Luke 16:19-31?

Jer. 5:1-2 refer to Paul Couch’s satellite ministry. a barrel shaped “flying roll” 30 ft long by 15 ft wide. Too bad Paul’s eyes are closed to verses 3 & 4 though.

Amen to that!

Personally, I believe that the book wasn’t written by God directly, but by Man. So, effectively, we’re mocking Man’s words. Some people on this board really ought to lighten up, they’re missing the humor in these verses.

and i don’t know, how to make it bette. Mica Kingsley.

Try reading some of the text that Gary quoted with a well informed,
open mind. As far as logic goes, when I come to the end of my race
here on this earth, I want to be able to leave it with out any question
of what my destination will be. I’ve watched people die who didnt have
the Lord and I’ve watched people die who did know the Lord, and its a
very sad and scary thing to see someone go to meet there maker that
doesnt. You see the really sad thing is, it doesnt really matter what or
if you believe, it doesnt change , that HE IS.

If what you stated was true then they wouldnt be teaching the theory of
evoulution and make no bones about it, if you ask them with authority they
will tell you they have no proof, that it is a theory,but yet they teach it as fact.

And i believe that if you did some research in history, science,archaeology and
prophecy as well as theology, compare different things from different religions.
That you to might see as several doctors with phd’s have found out that there
is a lot more evidence out there to prove christianity than theres evidence showing
other wise.

I believe you should know what your speaking about, or at least do some major
research , try it, check it out . And who knows , you might just find a clue about
some things you never even knew ?

Well done Bro Buck, I agree with many of statements here and I think you’ve done it without much arrogance. I would however not go so far to explain the reason God sent His son, is because my emotion (fallen emotion) of what I think love is, is why God sent His Son. It was for multiple reasons, showing an example unto us, providing a sacrifice for sin, and yes for love (there is not greater love then this…). I don’t limit God’s ability here, He “could” have done anything, what He did do is explained in the bible.
All in all you cover the basis’ better than I could imagine to. I’m gonna borrow some of your logic statements next time I need them.
“Smarter”, wish you would have used a less ignorant approach as I might have taken what you said differently, maybe considered it in research. Despite you I may actually still do such.
I would have to suggest “Smarter” that you also have faith in such things whether it be Evolution or Big bang or whatever, as they are not provable on their own either (Thus refer to your definition above for how you percieve people with faith). I agree with Bro Buck’s take on the subject of Faith here however anyway.

My two cents

Was it really necessary to do all that research, Hypo? pathetic.

Dont waste your time praying for me. Open your brain and let the truth come in and and please don’t try to teach your phony crap to others who are to stupid to know any better. All the Christians in the United States were praying for one thing and it did not happen. Your excuse. God did not want it to happen. Does
God control the weather or not? If he does, why does he continue to kill all the children and babies. I don’t even wan’t to hear your stupid excuse for this one. If this is your God then I pray I go to hell because I want no part lof anyone like him.

I am a former minister. I’m 71 years old and ministered for 40 years. I am ashamed for what I did those 40 years. I brought many people over the bridge to Christ and they are still practicing Christianity. I only wish I had a way to convince them that I was wrong and sorry for ruining their life. A person has to study the bible for a long time to realize that it is a fairy tale. Jesus taught us that all prayers would be answered. He did not say God would think about them and decide what’s best, he said ask for anything and god will deliver. Ask that a mountain be moved to the ocean and god will do it if you pray for it to happen. I have a list of 145 contridictions in the bible and I got tired of trying to explain them. If just one of them is wrong that’s too many mistakes. Wise up, if god did the things it says he did in the bible then he can not be a caring god and you know it but wont preach it as I did not. I have never heard of a person on earth as vicious as god was. He should pay us a visit if he really cared. One short visit could solve all the problems. I would never torture a human without first doing all I could to convince he or she was wrong. Yet were suppose to take the word of the bible which I just explained is full of errors. Give me a break.

It’s too bad you don’t know that most ministers, pastors ARE like that. Forget the press; and go to a church – any chuch – each week for several weeks and you will learn this. Christianity does get “bad press” from several Tel-evangelists who seem to be in the “business” so they can take advantage of sincere believers and become millionaires.
Actually, you can’t blame Christians for getting “preachy” sometimes. I believe it is difficult not to when every time a non-believer speaks out, it is in anger and hate! Why are they so angry and hateful? Believers aren’t trying to trick anybody, or lie about anything. We believe because we have experienced and continue to experience God’s love, His blessings and how they have changed our lives. We can tell you that you have to start with faith! If you don’t want to believe, fine; but don’t hate us because we reap the benefits of faith.
See my comment to Carl Weast.

Carl, you don’t have to worry one bit for those people you brought to Christ. You certainly don’t have to be sorry because their souls will be saved. And, if you get back to the “straight and narrow”, God will reward you for those souls. It is your soul that you should be concerned about now. The only “fairy-tale” connected with the Bible is that God/Jesus exist to do OUR bidding!! Jesus did say all prayers would be answered. But, He didn’t promise they would all be answered just the way we want or expect. Also, Have we given our entire lives to Him? Do we live for Him every day? Do we show Him we have tremendous faith? Or do we just make our demands because we know He answers prayer. Oh, and isn’t it interesting how many ways people can “interpret” Bible passages to suit their own needs. It sounds like you have lost your faith. You see, you spent all those years trying to understand every little detail and make the pieces fit into a nice big personalized puzzle – and you couldn’t do it. I heard a minister, just tonight, say that “if you think you should be able to understand everything written in the Bible, then YOUR God is much, much smaller than mine!” What about all the Bible scholars over the centuries who thought they could predict Christ’s second coming?? Didn’t happen, did it? Because God said that no man would know the time or place!
Don’t worry about trying to explain what you think are contradictions (other ministers may not think they are). Most people believe that as the Word of God, the Bible does not have mistakes or errors. It is WE who fall short.
As far as what kind of God He is – The entire Bible, especially the New Testament repeatedly tells us that we cannot even imagine God’s love for us. Don’t judge others; don’t judge GOD!!
THE ONE THING THAT TRIPS-UP BELIEVERS AS WELL AS NONBELIEVERS
According to the New Testament (many verses) ALL have sinned – we are all sinners; we always will be and are saved by God’s grace; believers are no better than nonbelievers; we will ALL be judged by God; we are not to judge others; JESUS said the greatest commandment is to believe in the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. The second is to love thy neighbor as thy self!!

Why would you tell such a lie? You were never a Minister. You posted on atheist.com that you just recently purchased an online certificate showing you are an ordained Minister. You also stated that you could have ordered a diploma showing you have a masters degree for a few more bucks but “would never hang something like that on my wall.” You don’t have to be a Christian to be an honest man!! Have you lied your entire life to try to prove you are something you are not?? If you can’t make an HONEST point, you don”t have one.

“Only one has ever claimed to be God, creator of everything! Jesus Christ!”

You’re not familiar with any other religions are you? I can think of only one religion where the ‘god’ didn’t claim to be
1) god
2) creator of everything.

Unfortunately, I hear this quite often, along with “Jesus is the only god who died for your sins”, or “Jesus is the only god to return from the dead”, or “Jesus is the only god born of a virgin”. None of those statements are true. I find it strange that the least educated Christians are always the ones with the biggest mouths.

I’ve been trying to find this verse for ages! Thank you for mentioning it!

Gotta love the zombies

Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

This sounds exactly like a chain letter, I think I may have even gotten this exact one . . . wow, I’m convinced. I’ll soooo never diss ‘god ‘ again because this is _proof_ that he exists (and kills people he doesn’t like).

There is proof for evolution, you simply choose to be confused by the word “theory”. As for the research you suggest for everyone else I’ve done some for you:
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In common usage, the word theory is used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation.
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However:
In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by experimental evidence (the scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable. As such, scientific theories are essentially the equivalent of what everyday speech refers to as _facts_.
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I don’t believe in evolution myself, I’m just constantly annoyed by bumpkins who choose to be ignorant about the meaning of the word “theory”. Saying that evolution is a theory is saying that is has been tested and proven by scientist, _not_ that it’s an bogus hypotheses.
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Flimsy arguments like this are part of why creationism/intelligent design are taken seriously by the public (or science).
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I’d love to know who you think has said they can “prove Christianity”

If anyone is still curious about contradictions here’s a starting point:

Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God’s anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God’s anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man’s wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man’s wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God’s attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God’s attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

And here are some more, all of these are from evilbible.com:

Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother’s widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother’s widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God’s ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women’s rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women’s rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39

#7 is the passage generally used to assume that masturbation is a sin. I’ve seen it preached on a couple times, myself.

Excuse me while I go sin again. Carrie Underwood video is on TV.

In accusing someone else of being judgmental, are we not, ourselves, being judgmental?

“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

I think God did pay us a visit. When he walked on the Earth as a man, his name was Jesus. At least, that’s what they teach in seminary. Don’t you remember that part Rev. Weast?

The human mind is a powerful thing. If you put your faith in “God,” who is to say that beliveing in him doesn’t cause him to exist. And if you choose to believe in “not God” will that cause him to cease to exist?

The two most extreme religious standpoints are zealots who believe in a god and atheists who believe in no god. In fact, some of the most closed minded zealots of all are the atheists who insist that god cannot exist. How can they be so sure? What if God just wants to sit up there and observe how we deal with life’s problems? I think complaining about them will not impress him very much. Whether God exists or not is really immaterial when considering how you should live your life. The bible is full of all kinds of fanciful stories, but most of all, it tells us how to live a good and happy life. Why can’t we all just do that and stop fighting about who is right and who is wrong?

First off, you are not coming across as an Athiest, using phrases such as “When we Atheists are judged” and “understanding of God’s universe” and “I’m sure God will bless you”. An athiest does not believe in the existence of God. You, by your own comments, mark yourself as an agnostic. God gave us all free will, but He wants our love and devotion. He never said life would be perfect.

That is gross. Love is supposed to be saved for one person. what if you are more like….satisfied with yourself then you wife can do? that’s just upsetting. dont just stay “pure” stay set apart. As christians we must win the most epic of battles, which means making it to the honeymoon sweet against all that comes at us. Believe me, it will be worth the wait

Rebekah D:

You have taken all of those verses out of context and you think you have proved something?

You were born, and have the opportunity to give love and to recieve love. Is there any greater miracle. God gave us the gift of love. Are there any scientific studies on why we love one another, are there drugs you can take to fall in love with somebody? (aside from beer anyway)

Miracle is not another word for magic.

God answers every prayer, sometimes the answer is no.

With love.
Merry Christmas
and Happy Channuka

Yawn.

The list was an interesting reading
But i just want to ask you one question
1. When you were born, were you born with clothes and all the culture you were raised in ?
2. Was sex and nudity given that much importance in the societies of the time and period you were talking about ?
Thats why it is called the Old testament

There is something Right and some thing wrong, That conscience comes from the New Testament and from Jesus Christ who is the Arc of the Covenant, the idea of the covenant is widely mentioned in Deuteronomy,
Because of The New Testament not only the western societies but also Eastern societies like that of Hindu and Muslim societies were transformed if it weren’t for the New Testament Man would not be saved, and we would have lived in societies filled with perverse behaviors like that of the ancient Roman, Indian and Arabic.

Reading the bible wont help dude, you got to have the Holy Ghost. or else even the most straight forward sentence would sound Perverse cause what you see is what you get.

Whoa man, do you honestly believe what you just said. I mean seriously, i have to be ‘reborn’ what the hell does that mean. God F***ed it up the first time so he has to try again. You think being almighty would allow him to fix that.

If God is almighty, can he microwave a burrito so hot that he can’t eat it.

I love that saying. It logically disproves the “almighty claim”.

Gospel writers… Paul… Hrmmm… Interesting. Gospel according to Paul… how about John? What about John?

On another note. I laugh at people who toss out philosophies at random that they learned in Philosophy class in the 100 levels (and I laugh at many in all levels) because they always leave out key premises. David Hume is really funny to read. Honestly, most philosophy professors and writers give just enough to try to make you think a certain way. However, the people who ACTUALLY have open minds are able to find the missing information, the missing premises that were not included. Stop tossing out philosophical crap unless you can really argue. Well read people are oftentimes the most stupid ones. Get a mind of your own.

No actually, that’s not what was meant by the passage, although as first clance that seems what’s happening. But really, it goes deeper. And I know after I type this people are going to scoff whether they be athiests or “Christians” but I don’t care; to God, sex IS marriage. This is why “Christians” get all uncomfortable (even though they don’t know why) about sex outside of marriage. That’s why in Jewish law, if a spouse cheated, then divorce was (could be) automatic, no trial no nothing. THIS is why when a man raped a girl he had to go through the fomalities of marriage (e.g. she moves in with him). It is in fact a punishment on him! He has to support her FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, and there is no way he can get out of it. He has his whole life to pay back for that one act…I think that’s actually a very creative punishment, don’t you? And also, he wouldn’t get away with abusing his “wife.” Plus, she would have to option to divorce him (most people don’t realize that women in ancient Jewish law had as much power in this department as men did).

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry after reading most of these postings. I stumbled upon this site while looking for material for a jr. high youth talk about superheros.

To all those who do not believe in God or scripture, I respect your position. It is not up to me to “save” you, prove you wrong or judge you. Only to love/care you. Not for what you believe or don’t believe; but because you are valuable!

To my Christian brothers and sisters: God does not need you to defend him/her. We are called to love (you know the second greatest commandment), care for the poor, feed the hungry, and fight for justice. Why would anyone believe what we have to say, when we spend so much time aruguing to prove our personal believes? We fight across demoninations and even within our own churches.

I appreciate good, honest, respectually debate. But I am deeply saddened by both sides of this God/religion/bible dialogue. I don’t want a pollyanna faith (or fire and brimstone either), but neither do I want to be dismissed as foolish or stupid because of my faith.

many lulz have been had from this.

Sorry but you have been busted “Dennis”,you completely changed around Psalm 63:9-10…it goes like this – Psalm 63:9-10 -But those who seek my life, to destroy it, Shall go into the lower parts of the earth. They shall fall by the sword; They shall be a portion for jackals.

Soo…..

Revelation 22:18-19 says, “For I testify unto everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

regarding Genesis 38: 8-10

My question regarding the 10th verse, What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight: so he put him to death also…is

Did GOD think that Onan sleeping with his sister in law was wicked or the fact that he would spill his seed on the ground instead of producing an offspring with her was the wicked thing? After all it was Judah that told Onan to lay with his brothers wife, it was not GOD!

just thinking out loud….

Depends… if make the claim because we felt judged upon, then no. Namely, then we comment on our experience, hence are not judgmental. It’s the difference between a thin person and a fat person saying being fat stinks.

This isn’t a rant or an anti or pro christian or atheist declaration, I just have questions that I’ve never had properly answered before.

I grew up in a born again christian household for about 8 plus years of my life. As I grew older, I began to question and now if I were to catagorize my religious beliefs, I would say that I’m agnostic.

Anywho…. Here are my questions, (hopefully not been brought up before…) -

A lot of the born again christians I’ve spoken to believe that Jesus is god, Jesus is the son of god, gays are going to burn in hell, there is only one religion – christianity, if you don’t believe jesus is god – you will burn in hell, there is only one god and, miracles happen. So:

1. Why do Catholics basically pray to the Virgin Mary? (to me it almost seems to be worship of a person, not a god. I would think that via the bible, Mary was a vessel for Jesus, and not to be holy in and of herself, wouldn’t praying to her constitute a type of false worship?)

2. Does Christianity mean that any person who has never heard of Jesus is going to burn in hell? (guilty because they cannot believe in Jesus? a Catch-22)

3. Does Christianity condemn people like Gandhi to hell? (at least I don’t think that he believed that Jesus was god, etc…

4. Why is it that some Jesus era writings are acceptable, but some are not to be taken verbatim? (i.e. the Dead Sea scrolls)

5. In my industry, I work with plenty of gay men and women, I’ve talked to a few that I truly believe never made a conscious decision to be “gay”. Christians will say that being gay is a choice and a sin. Can a person not be able to make that choice? Can someone be born attracted to the same sex? What about the person born a hermaphrodite? One that the parents chose the sex for them. Maybe that person is attracted to the same sex their whole life never knowing that genetically they are a boy, but physically they are a girl.

6. Miracles. Smoke and fire, burning bushes, floods, water parting, fishes and loaves, water to wine, lepers being healed, sight returning, paralyzation being restored, etc… Why don’t we see these things now? Why did god choose to show himself through miracles then and not now?

I hate writing long rants, people generally never really read them, but I’ve never gotten more than a “you have to believe” type response.

Thanks.

If you don’t want to believe, fine; but don’t hate us because we reap the benefits of faith.

Would you please tell this to all people persecuted, expelled and what ever “believers” do to non believers since a long time ago? Since when it was “fine” not to believe? Check the history a bit and check what Pope was saying lately. It was never fine not to believe.

I have heard many of those passages preached on. I’ve got a great pastor, for which I’m thankful. He doesn’t shrink from declaring the whole counsel of God.

Tim

It amuses me to no end to watch your two factions gnaw at each others throats.

I have also read and studied the bible extensively and have arrived at the same conclusion. At least you realized and at least you are sorry. I watched my mother die hanging on pathetically to that belief system, wondering what she had done that God wasn’t answering her prayers – for healing, for her family, and so forth. It was so sad. The saddest thing I believe is that all those years are wasted in aligning oneself with a primitive, irrational belief system which makes them crazy because they are always trying to come up with excuses for why God doesn’t answer their prayers!

What did God mess up? God is almighty and perfect. He made us in his own image. He even said himself, “It is good.” when he created us. He set us apart from his angels when he gave us free will. If not for free will we would be robots and not be able to choose anything ourselves. What kind of god would control us like that?

Free will lets us choose between God and hell. When you choose God, then you are “born again,” symbolizing being accepted into His family, making a commitment to try your best to turn from sinful ways, and receiving a get out of hell free ticket. All you have to do is ask. God is constantly knocking at your door, waiting to fix your life and anyone else’s who will just let Him in.

btw, if God is almighty, he wouldn’t be seeing how hot he can microwave a burrito.

God bless

Ok for starters, we are supposed to be all God’s children and he loves all of us…. ok could you send your child to hell? If God is so forgiving he won’t care who is right or wrong on what to believe about him(he refuses to show a universal sign of divinity that is blatantly obvious to everyone and can’t be rebuked or misinterpreted) According to the bible we we all decended from two people………. who had children and god didn’t make any more people. Do the math how do you spawn several Billion from 2? (starts with an I that he forbayed in the bible) Lets hop on back to Ancient Rome and the council of Nicea who got to choose what to put in the bible and whether Jesus was divine or not(There were historically people who said they could do the same things as Jesus at around the same time Apolonius of Tiena, if I spelt his name correctly was one of them who was crucified) Jump on ahead to Charlamagne who “adjusted the bible” Next to King James who also fixed a few things in the good book. The language the bible was first written in was Hebrew then it was translated to Greek, then Translated into Latin, then translated into English. No way could something have been changed there right? Now onto how Awsome christianity has been historically. If I am not mistaken one of the Ten Commandments is that Thou Shalt Not Kill? The Crusades: The Fall of antioch-100,000 Moslems Massacred by Christians. Fall of Jerusalem-70,000 Moslems Massacred by Christians. 2Million Christians that killed Christians in the French Hugenot wars. Spanish Inquisition-350,000 killed for being a witch, heretic, or heathen.(A heretic is someone who believes differently than the majority) The Spanish Conquestadors killed 15million Native Americans with either disease or murder(Not to mention good ole’ Christopher Columbus gave the “Heathens” blankets contaminated with small pox) Islam was a close second place in the religious Genocide antics.

Dear people,

To all people who commented on this website , it is common to all that there are hundreds of forgeries in the bible, you are ashamed with what is written in it.consequently it is not a book written by God.Meanwhile I want to invite you to some websites that sustain these point and hope will lead you to truth.If you want to try and see your prayers realized (not ask mountains to be moved!) then follow the truth.Take this: Jesus is not a God,he is just a man.Would you accept that for your children.Some people say He’s the son of God then God then He’s the holy spirit.Jesus told this apostles It will better that he goes otherwise the Comforter will not come that means it’s not Jesus .They say He’s the holy spirit and He’s Jesus another christian told me that the holy spirit told him.What is this nonsense who ever talked with him!

I want to be as concise as I could to reveal truth to humanity.Here are the websites:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/nt_confirms_apocalypse_of_peter.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jews.htm

http://www.islamworld.net/Muhammad.in.Bible.html

Please don’t miss what is written. I had many prayers realized .

Don’t let prejuidice prevail ,read first ,comment later and be objective this is the scientific principle.

Let good prevail,don’t let lies prevail but reveal out to the world.

Peace to all !

David,
You lost your credibility…. the Dead Sea scrolls contain none of the New Testament writings!

The DaVinca Code also claims the scrolls contain the NT, but the DC professes to be fiction1

On 2007-08-17 02:36:46 David wrongly said ” As one example, in the Dead Sea scrolls, the discovered fragments of text were found to be able to match exactly, word for word in most cases, with the writings previously known, and these were from Old and New Testament, from different regions, and from different time periods.

In reply to the statements made by Makraken. Firstly God would’nt send us to hell if he had a choice. Secondly he cant be in direct contact with us at this time because we are contaminated by sin. Thirdly if it would take God coming down from heaven and singing a song for you to prove to you he exists then you dont believe in god….. Why is faith so importat to god? It’s part of the way he has set up things to work in this word. “The Secret-Rhonda byrne” would be a good example of that. And faith is part of the driving force behind making miracles happen. God has told us how this work’s in the bible and through things we have learned on our own. To be honest with you faith is like electricity in the world of miracles and prayer. And i’d also like to say this isn’t coming from a religious fanatic…..
I have lots of beliefs outside religion, and I am very open minded. I have done some research on Ufo’s and believe strongly that intelligent life, “not mentioned in the bible” other than our own is on our planet and flying in our airspace. So just to say not all christian’s are closed minded people. But let me tell you something very important and very serious. God is God, he is what he is, he has given us a book written by men, but under his inspiration, and someday, possibly soon he will return. Whether or not you like god and his rules i would strongly suggest you try to walk peacefully and happily in the lords way. But all this questioning of God’s existance is arrogant and dangerous.

For God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find God through human brilliance, and then he stepped in and saved all those who believed his message, which the world calls foolish and silly. // This so-called`”foolish” plan of God is far wiser than the wisest plan of the wisest man, and God in his weakness–Christ dying on the cross–is far stronger than any man. 1 Corin 1:21,25

A message to all who don’t realize the devil tries to decieve us. He cares the less about harming us in this life, but the more about dampining our faith.

Signed.

Kyle Morrison

I am a Christian who used to be a hardcore atheist, so I understand both sides of all these arguments.

Christianity in a religious form is the antichrist.
Pure Christianity with no denomination or rules (simply just love and respect for God and others) is Heaven on Earth. Really.

If you guys would just stop being such know-it-all douches and stop trying to be right just for the sake of being right and “different” (“oh…i’m so different”), then maybe THAT’S when the world would be a better place…sorry for the run-on sentence…

The bible shouldn’t be taken litterally…it should just be a guide to living.

Some of you try to rebel or not conform…
Jesus was a total freakin’ rebel!

Being a true Christ follower IS the ultimate in anti-conformity…
A lot of the world gives in to anti Christian beliefs…think about it…yeah…go to bed now…don’t get a headache…

It is interesting that a guy who cannot write correct english grammmar has so much to say about the Bible!

First of all, Ditto on the “learn to spell” comment from Jonna. Jeez, how in the world did you ever get past the fifth grade? Is it just your ignorant way of writing or are you confused? You start your comment with “Dont waste your time praying for me” then end the comment (with reference to God as your sentence subject matter I might add) that “I pray I go to hell because I want no part lof anyone like him.” So Carl, who exactly are you praying to? That must be an awful feeling having to pray to someone that you obviously have no belief in – like a defenseless child being led to the slaughter by a parent they should be able to depend on and trust in. Is there really anyone out there that could be that evil? When not writing nasty comments what do you do? Do you spend your day pissing on flowers?

i agree 100% to wat u said revpepsi | reverend pepsi? lol sorry >.

Whether or not you believe, disbelieve, hate, love, whatever, just remember that most religions, such as Christianity inspire people to do good. I admit, my family are very religious and I am not, but it is because of what they believe, and how they raised me, that I am not a complete dick to other people. I would probably have not been able to pity or care for others. If they had no God, or no reason to do good, then they might never have treated me well, and in turn, I might not have been the kind person I am now. Just remember, that not all people must be directly affected by religions to be affected at all.

P.S. I am sorry if my grammer/writing is for shit, but I hope it won’t matter, so long as you get my point. And if there is anything I might have said or done wrong, and you have the insatiable urge to correct me, plz, do it in a kind and constructive manner.

ALL RIGHT! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The fruit of the spirit is love joy peace patience kindness goodness faithfullness and self control. These Christians writing here, guys I urge you, please check these things in your life. do you know that the bible speaks about even using crude (not down right evil and filthy) words? get controll of yourselves. And to those who are not Christians. Guys I am so sorry for how these others have been treating you, no wonder you are not convinced! We can not expect you to act and talk like christians because you are not. Please except my apol. on their behalf… in the same breath i would like to say that Jesus Christ (not the one in the paintings and books, the one from the bible and from my heart) is worth putting your faith in, if you decide to put it in anything, and i pray that you will… wait… i’ve prayed that you will! Cheers

I’m sorry, but I disagree. I’ve realised that the Bible was not written by God, but by man, and even if there are contradictions, one of the basic things that everyone who wrote books from the Bible agreed on was that man is not perfect.

I’m very sorry about your mother however. But maybe, just maybe, the idea that there was something else waiting for her was a comfort.

There are reasons why God doesn’t answer SOME prayers.

I asked (well more like begged) God to cure my aunt of Cancer.

And then I begged for time to say goodbye.

I got the time to say goodbye.
And maybe I’m crazy, but knowing that there was someone there that cared about what was happening, and wouldn’t laugh at me, that was comforting.

So basically I’d rather die, having lived my life believing in God, to find out he isn’t real, than to have lived my life not believing in God, to find out that he is real.

Coz that would SUCK.

AND WE CRITISIZE THE QURAN FOR ALL OF MURDER , INTERBREEDING , MUTILATION….ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT OUR CHURCH LEADERS CHOSE TO HIDE IT.

you right he said “it is good”. if god is so almighty and perfect shouldnt he have said “it is perfect” or at least “it is great”.

Well lets be honest. We all know whats wrong with Scientology. lol

well said

People are not perfect. English grammar isn’t graceful for everyone. As long as the communication exists, it is all that matters here. It is absolutely imperative that you stick to discussion and try not to take away credibility of someone based on their grammar, dialect, etc.

And to go in further about discussing the Bible. God’s imperfect people are not perfect, but gives grace in different areas according to our natural ability’s that he has given everyone. I believe that everyone in this blog will come around, Christian or non, to Christ and ask for his forgiveness. He SAVES!!!

I have faith, no doubt at all, that all of you will be SAVED according to his plan and not my own. The Naysayers will never win. All of you will be in my prayers, Amen

-Todd Thielen

If you cannot accept God’s Kingdom through the simplicity of a child, you will never get in…

Your not living God’s Word, Your Skepticial of the Lord and you were a Minister???
God wants to come back, you can trust him.

WELL SAID!!! THANK YOU FOR TELLING HIM LIKE IT IS!! I HAVE HEARD IT SAID THAT IF YOU DONT STAND FOR SOMETHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING!!

`You are definitely in my prayers. If what you have written is true(and that is questionable), you need everyones prayers. To have spent 40 yrs of your life teaching people something you didnt believe in yourself is awful. I really feel a lot of compassion for you.

I have to say, I really liked your comments. God is a prayer answering God, and I am sincerely sorry for anyone who says otherwise. He loves us all, and I personally have found a life given to Christ is the best life of all. I pray that all of you who do not know Him in a personal way, will seek Him and allow Him to be everything to you that He is to me. I agree with your comment about it being better to live for Him and find out He isnt real, than to not live for Him and find out He is real. He is real, I know, because He has been my best friend, always there when I have needed Him.

that is just what i have been thinking since i started reading on this website. why take a sentence or two out of context and try to figure it out?? i read the bible thru for the first time last year, and found it to be full of wonderful and interesting things. you cant just skip around and pick and choose and expect to understand, it takes time and a sincere heart to let the Lord talk to us thru His word. The word of God is a road map for those of us who believe in Him and believe that there is a better place for us when the time comes for us to say goodbye to this world we live in. That brings me joy and peace knowing i have something better waiting for me.

IM GLAD SOMETHING GOOD OTHER THAN DEATH & DESTRUCTION IS COMING OUT OF THIS BOOK!!! IVE COME TO REALIZE ITS A F*CKING RIOT! J/K

BY THE WAY TO ALL THOSE TALKING TO YOUR SELVES… I MEAN PRAYING .. GOOGLE THE GREAT PRAYER EXPERIMENT (JUST FOR KICKS). I HONESTLY KNOW THAT WE (ATHEIST/THEIST) WILL NEVER CHANGE EACH OTHERS MINDS. (ON A SERIOUS NOTE) BUT, THATS FINE AS LONG AS WE CAN ALL LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE! sOME DAY.

IM A MORAL AND ETHICAL BEING, THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT I USE COMMON SENSE AND REASON… I DO NOT REQUIRE THE SELF IMPOSED FEAR OF A HIGHER BEING POSSIBLY SMITING ME TO KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT.

I AM OPEN TO EVERYONES PERSONAL BELIEFS AND OPINIONS AS LONG AS THEY KEEP IT OUT OF MY SECULAR GOVERNMENT, MY KID’S PUBLIC SCHOOL, AND ALL PUBLIC DOMAINS… KEEP IT AT HOME, IN CHURCH, OR IN FRIENDLY CONVERSATIONS….

WE SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO JOHN LENNON AND IMAGINE….

Oru,
I’m sorry you feel that way. Truth is, even as a Christian, I understand your concerns and why you would feel that way about God, Jesus, and the Church. I don’t believe that anyone, Christian or not, has any real explanation to the issues you’ve brought up.

If you think about it logically and through the eyes of any normal human, I suppose you would label some of the things God has done as ‘heinous’ or ‘immoral.’ But I do believe that if one is going to explore Christianity for whatever purpose, it is only fair to do it the way it was intended- to, at least temporarily, or open-mindedly, accept the nature of God as what He claims to be: omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, etc. Because if you choose to eliminate certain factors that do not work in your favor or agree with you intellectually, it closes doors to possibilities of further understanding God wholly. In other words, you would be working with only a few pieces of the puzzle by throwing out essential tools (and yes, every tool is essential). But that is only if you are striving to really understand the God of Christianity, not simply trying to disprove it.

I’m sorry for the grief other Christians may have put you through, using the Hell card in an attempt to shame you or guilt you into receiving Christ. Shame on them! If God does exist, only He can judge you. Right?

Christians, you know better than that.

This may possibly be of some help: If you read the Bible in order, keep in mind that it is not God actually speaking some of the time (example – Psalms, Lamentations, Proverbs) but people talking TO God, and if you retain what you are reading you will find that every time you think God’s being a jerk, at some point you will find out why. Moreover, God WAS forgiving, incredibly forgiving, before Jesus ever arrived. The OT is full of forgiveness and one of the most oft written sayings is “His faithful love endures forever”. The latter half of the OT makes God seem mean if you are not reading in context, but to give you a little background on it – the Jews are being punished for BURNING THEIR CHILDREN ALIVE, priests engaging in all kinds of bad stuff (not unlike some tele-evangelists out there, but actually worse), murder, incest, all kinds of stuff, but mostly for BURNING THEIR CHILDREN ALIVE to serve other gods, namely Molech a really bad god.
Interesting to note that in the original language the word for hell in the New Testament is actually referring to the place where these kids were burned.
The verse from Ezekiel about the prostitue with the stallion emission, btw, is from a chapter in which God is using two prostitutes as a metaphor for Samaria and Judah. The northern kingdoms (Isreal, and by association, Samaria) were in trouble all the time for idol worship, bad kings and queens (evil), cutting off roads to Jerusulem, and other things and God is talking about how bad they were, but the culmination of the story is that Judah is worse (the verse quoted is about Judah) and the deal was that Judah went to Babylonia and said one thing (promising by God) and then went behind Babylon’s back to Egypt who had always treated them badly. Well, I that’s all I’m going to say about that – you should read it, and it’s important to have ALL of the back story to really get at the heart of some of this stuff.
As for Ezekiel and the dung bread – God was using that as a shocking illustration of prophecy of what was going to happen in Judah. He didn’t end up making Ezekiel use human dung.
I was on the fence about God and Jesus and other religions. I looked into other religions and did not find that they had as much information as Judaic religions. Before I sided with atheism and agnosticism I thought I should really and truly investigate the Judaic religions, starting with the Bible. Right now I am in the latter half of Ezekiel which is more than half way. I won’t be making any decisions about Jesus until I get done with the New Testament, but I can say that I wholeheartedly now believe in God.
An interesting thing to look at is the archeology – the stuff accepted by the scientific community completely – like Hezekiah’s tunnel. The Bible has a full account of how and why Hezekiah (who is a pretty cool king, btw – should really get more press) built the tunnel. There are also tons of other places that have been found, references to specific wars in the Bible documented by Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Greeks, etc. It’s really cool stuff. So, at least if you don’t believe God exists – you can give some credence to the historical accuracy of 1Kings – Malachi minus Job. That’s a huge chunk of the Bible.

In the Hebrew, the writing wouldn’t have included “perfect” or “great.” The story of creation was written during the time of the Jewish exile in Babylonia. It was more of an uplifting story (along with Noah and the Tower of Babel) to let the Jews know that YaHWeH had created them, and no matter how bad things got, he would not abandon them.

People (especially most Christians) don’t know where their Bible came from. The Bible wasn’t written to be taken literally (see: Young Earth Creationists), but instead studied alongside the history of the time. The Old Testament is a history book. Look up when each was written, whom it was written to, and the circumstances surrounding the people of Israel at the time.

The New Testament is the only section of the bible meant to be taken “literally,” in that a majority of the books are simply letters written to various new churches (outside of the four Gospels and Acts).

The only way anyone can find out about what Christianity is really about is if as Christians, we stop this bickering and saying “We’re right, you are wrong.” Instead, share your beliefs. I urge those who attack Christianity to inquire about it first instead of making judgments and saying “Its a load of crap because every word isn’t perfectly scientifically backed up.”

Gandhi once said, “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, because they are nothing like your Christ.” Lets live like our Christ.

holy fuck the bible SUCKS! You have to be a psycho to listen to believe it!

Yer. That’s Godsquad’s logo. If u dont know who they are, they go around Queensland and WA (in Australia) talking to schools about problems in life. They came to my school a couple months ago.

Carl Weast, prayer is not a matter of changing things externally, but one of working miracles in a persons inner-nature. Prayer changes US, and then Christ through us can change things. Christianity isn’t about God answering every one of our commands we pray for, because what we think would be best for us could not be. So if you’re praying for a 200,000 dollar car and don’t get it I wouldn’t shake my fists at God. His will is perfect and he is soveriegn over EVERYTHING. He doesn’t answer all prayers because he’s protecting us, but this does not mean that he doesn’t LISTEN to all prayers. It’s not about believing in him to get all of our hearts desires, because the desires of our heart before Christ are wordly, they spring from jealousy envy and lust. Prayer is to change our desires to everything that will glorify God and to become selfless and love the world like Christ had loved the world. These verses were all taken out of text and are in the Old Testament where there were different laws for Jews. I mean I know those who want to mock Christianity are going to regardless of anything anybody posts, but that irked me about what you said on prayer because it is completely wrong. Christianity is God’s marriage proposal to the soul, and it’s not about crazy religious fanatic traditions or rituals to achieve it. It’s not about good works.

“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:8

Faith in Christ is what saves us, by the grace of God. Nothing we can do could ever earn or make us deserve salvation. God sent Jesus Christ his holy son, the only holy man who has walked in flesh on earth, to die on the cross for our sins. His blood washes us and cleanses us. It is NOT by good works or a set of rules. Love for God because he loved me is why I try my very best to live my life according to his word, not because it’s a robotic system of do’s and dont’s. He didn’t mess up when he made us, he has loved us so much that instead of making beings who would worship him always he has given us free will to accept his love or reject him.

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will eat with him, and he with me.” revelation 3:20

Well, hey, at least you are reading the Bible. That’s a good step.
You have to take in the culture and do research to understand a lot of what is said in the Bible or it can easily be misinterpretted. Usually there is a reason for the stories. You do have to take the good with the bad. Life does not always throw us rosey pictures of how life ought to be, but makes things tough so we can either overcome it, deal with it, or it let it drag us down and control us.
I think this is one reason why the new testament helps redeem some of the grosser stuff in the Old Testament. I mean, reading Solomon’s songs is enough to make anyone blush, but there it is in the Bible.
Eclessiastes is about a man wondering why on earth God put us here if all we are to do is live and die and suffer in the process. It can be very disheartening, but then you have to understand that this is the point… that if you only focus on this life and what you can get out of it for yourself, it will take the joy out of why you are here….
Soul searching is good though.

hi all

interesting reading material…what i found even more astounding is the effect
non believers have on believers.i was a born again christian and now i am a backslider.
sometimes it bothers me sometimes it don’t.the times it does not is when my faith is on the upside and i believe God will finish the good work he started in me…
don’t be so hard on unbelievers..Jesus said Himself He came to heal the sick people…people who are well have no need of Him…
i consider myself in need of the Great Physician’s touch…The same God that let it rain on the land of the rightouss also let it rain on the unrightouss…hope my spelling does not offend anybody..i’m afrikaans coloured from cape town south africa…love you all…can’t wait to hear from you guys…love…maria

Okay, i’m 16 years old and I have accepted jesus to be my lord and savior. To the person talking about why jesus lets children and babies die, and why he doesn’t intervene to save them. 1st, maybe he believes they should come to heaven early because it’ll be better for them, seeing how heaven is the best place you could ever be. 2nd, The world has been telling God to get out of our schools, out of our daily practices, telling God to get out of the media. Hating people for loving God. We have pushed God out of our lives soo much, that maybe he just doesn’t see what he can do anymore with all the disbelief, so he stays quite in the hope that we see the light. I forget where but in the new testament it talks about the path God pre-sets out that we all end up following, if that path has us die early in our lives then so be it, God obviously see’s we’ll be better off that way.
I suppose now i’m just rambling on, but I just want you to see that the bible has every answer you need, God knew you would need the answer so just go look for the answers you seek by yourself. 2nd Timothy 2:23 or something, it says that we shouldn’t have foolish arguments that end of with people just getting mad, but if its to try and convert someone or you believe someone is teaching the wrong way, then you have a duty to step in and make it right. So have fun with your life and i hope you convert to the right path, I’ll pray for you.

-Mini

i just HAD to look that one up!! (mind you – i’ve been busy looking up alot of the verses mentioned on this site!) but i thought surely there had to be an explaination for dashing children against rocks! It is talking about the destruction of the “daughter of Babylon” – an enemy of the Jews. the verse before it says “blessed is he who repays you for what you have done to us….” in my study notes it states that “war was as cruel then as now; women & children were not spared.” not trying to be argumentative, just thought it was worthy of a note!! even i was shocked!!

what about the verse following it Proverbs 25:17…
“Seldom set foot in your neighbour’s house – too much of you, and he will hate you.”!!!!!

The history of the bible, as a text, is immensely more illuminating from a cultural standpoint than the words written themselves, which have been translated far from their original meaning.

Keep in mind translation, even by our modern communications standards, endangers and distorts context, fundamentally disturbing the message of the original (especially when dealing with highly contextual romantic languages like latin/English/italian/etc). Now, try to imagine the accuracy of translation in the world circa 100bc, around when the septuagint brought the canonized herbrew texts (what comprises the Christian old testament) into Greek, for mass consumption by the literate classes. Multiply this process, and its inherent flaws, times 10 (which is a conservative accounting for the amount of major translations) and you’ll have a decent impression of how disconnected our bible is from the time and teachings referred to as those of Jesus Christ.

The king james revision in 1765 (est) contained 24,000 edits alone, from typos the the removal of entire margin/footnote sections included in the septuagint. In fact, the most massive of institutional bible revisions were commisioned in response to Church paranoia over margin notes found in older translations.

Why be paranoid? Because christians, with the emergence of education and literacy, began to understand Latin, study the text/accompanying notes, and found within them ideas considered very dangerous by those leading the political structure/hierarchy of the Catholic church. Modern anthropological study of tattered, antiquated texts have allowed many of these notes to be understood today.

Why is this important to our discussion here? Because these notes explained, both from a literary and historic perspective, many of the myths contained within the bible. In reading them, we observe the logical progression of cultural ideas and belief: from Sumeria and Babylon to Egypt, to Judaic societies onto Greek, Muslim, and the Christian idealogy we associate with the church today. In reflecting on the Crusades, the inquisitions (and other forms of historic anti-antisemitism), colonization, imperialism and all the way to today, we might understand why those controlling the church might find such elements of the bible threatening.

The church, especially in medieval/renaissance times, is a political organization, with sovereign control much like nations in our time. They benefited, rather directly, from the pillaging in the crusades and xenophobia of the inquisitions, in material and cultural capital (nothing keeps people paying taxes like crippling fear of jews/muslims/insert whomever else here). Without doubt, such benefits would be quickly lost if those enabling them (the followers), began to realize their preachers were perverting and deliberately covering up essential details of their faith’s universal text. So the church revises the whole thing, removes insightful notes and decries any prior translation as unacceptable heresy.

Everyone– Religous and cultural difference, often the key which turns these type of discussions, is the true falsity contained within the Bible. The bible is NOT the word of god as we understand words and literature. We are conditioned to understand texts like novels, linear progressions of ideas contained within an easily consumed format. Novel form did not emerge until the 19th century, and we must read anything before this outside of our own reference, as best we possibly can.

HOWEVER, the bible, in a rather Hegelian sense (ps> Hegel= the philosopher who coined the zeitgeist dialectical ideology), is the word of god (the GEIST or SPIRIT of collected conscious), as it documents the progression of cultural and spiritual conscious of entire civilizations across time and space.

THAT IS HOW THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD. That is the sacred truth our society very much needs to understand. The stories themselves are ancillary, and explain ideas like astrology, passage of time, republicanism, ethics, philosophy, etc (astrology being the most important and, sadly, most poorly understood of all). The Bible, often used as a premise to discuss religious difference and “who has it right” hides the true teachings of Jesus, Moses, Budhha, Dionysus, Horus, and all the various Christ figures who have been since exalted:

WE ARE ALL THE SAME! not in a cute, hug your muslim neighbor afternoon special diversity week tolerance mueseum BS way. Quite literally, rather. We are the same. we do not achieve universality through religion or church or community or through diversity education/awareness (as we think we do today)– we have it, inherently, within us to begin with.

I go to a catholic school however I do not believe in Chrsits divinty, in fact I don’t think I believe in Christ at all.
After reading this I showed in to my religion teacher who is always marveling about the Bible. When I comment about the bible he says the bible metaphoric or else applies to the time period of Christ. But when he saw this he was speechless. He is now letting us study other religions and there effect on the world. We still learn about catholism but it is no longer forced on us.

Please don’t force your religion on others, we are each intitled to our own opinions. If you disagree respectfully debate. Make an educated desicion about your opinion.

Peace. Love. Respect.

Come on. That is the worst arguement you could come up with? Plenty of people have died for their faith, that doesn’t make it any more valid or true. Look at the Heaven’s Gate folks, look at the Branch Davidians, look at the Jonestown colony. What it does show is those early Christians and apostles were convinced they were right, just like all the others who have died for something they beleive in.

I’m sorry pastor, but I don’t think you’re telling the truth. Which is not to say I don’t think you’re sincere–you may be sincere. But I think you’re lying. Feel free to tell me if I’m wrong, but here’s my reasoning:

“I don’t bully anyone to believe what I believe” is just something Christians say when they want to sound peaceful toward nonchristians. But when you’re in the “family,” so to speak? It’s a completely different matter. I don’t know if you have children, but I’m the grandson of a pastor, and my father is very religious, so I do know what it’s like to watch a religious person say a peaceful thing such as “I don’t bully…” and then tell his son the next minute, when the son says he believes differently, “As long as you’re in this family, you worship God.”

I also know enough about the church that messages of love and caring and good things are saved for missionary work and outreach, whereas it’s only once you’re actually Christian that you suddenly get told how horrible a sinner you are and how you have to spend your life repenting, and how even your doubts are evidence of your imperfection, and… well, the list goes on.

And meanwhile, this is all made possible because the religion is based on a holy book that says so very many things–moral, immoral, amoral, violent, peaceful, explicit–that one can pick any lesson one wants to convey and just select the appropriate bible verse for that Sunday’s sermon text. Anything that doesn’t fall into the “diplomatic message for outsiders” of peace and love and acceptance, or the “when-we-don’t-have-to-be-diplomatic message for insiders and select outsider groups” of eternal damnation and social condemnation, and just can’t be used for either of these specific tactics, gets ignored or brushed aside lightly. Certainly there will be no sermons on those verses.

Lastly, this one’s not to revpepsi but to the ones here who’ve said, “Read the New Testament,” as if it somehow undoes the damage of the old. Look at your Bible sometime. How many of the pages are New Testament? How long is the Old Testament? Let’s just be clear that when you attempt to disregard the Old Testament, you are already literally disregarding the majority of the Bible.

that little number is the verse number so you can easily jump to passages

I pray for all the Christians that God is so anxious for you to meet him in heaven that he gives you cancer. Don’t bother treating it, God is waiting.

Ha, I personally find it amusing how everybody gets so defensive about what they believe in. I don’t believe in God, but I don’t go around bashing Him every second I get, I try to respect people’s beliefs and such. I don’t see why people have to take it upon themselves to do so.

Honestly?

Aye aye aye.

Hannah
hi
i was wundering if you can tell me something. does your church not believe in christ? i am just asking. i like to learn about other beleif’s. and the only way that i have found is ask a person of that faith. i hope that you will e-mail me.
i am 47 year’s old and stay home alot. i have bone cancer. but theygot it stoped for right now. and i need back surgery. i hope i have found a friend to write to. you might need to ask your momma and dad if you are under 18 if you can write to me. i do hope to here from you.
Lequata

Rubbish, and the new testament is just as stupid as the old

I’ve read a few of these comments.

I find it appalling that I can’t instantly tell which comments are from Christians and which aren’t.

Please show some grace and courtisy, rather than mock. Did Jesus mock the soldiers who beat him? So why do Christians feel they need to be harsh to people while defending their faith?

Remember our mission statement is to make disciples, not win arguements. What is the point of making someone admit they were wrong if they say ‘I’ll never be a christians if I become like them’.

One thing the Old Testament most certainly is NOT is history. Despite the preponderance of actual place names and tribal references, the events narrated are largely (and demonstrably) fictional. Even leaving aside all the “miraculous” accounts, the mundane reportage — such as that of the Hebrews being slaves in Egypt and engaging in a decades-long exodus through the desert — is entirely unsupported by ANY contemporary historical accounts or archaeological evidence. It simply didn’t happen.

Um, a fairly quick search would reveal that there are currently THOUSANDS of religions being practiced around the world. I’d say that counts as a lot.

Hello hanna I read your comment and just wanted to tell you some things first of all this article (I am asuming you were talking about the verses above) are not all true after reading this I checked my bible which is the king james version which is believed by many to be the closest thing to the orginal bible. And these scriptures were alot less graphic than they are presented in this article. About people forcing thier religion Look I’m not for that but sometimes people just want others to ecxept christ and go to heaven. Maybe you should give christ another try trust me I’m not going to be pushy but I have seen demons and angles I know what the bible says is true and the devil will lie to you just as he has with this article. And another thing I DO NOT SUPPORT CATHOLISM look I’m not going to bash your religion but if catholics read the bible they would know you don’t need priests to forgive you of your sins or to get demons out of you or your home trust me I had to do it. All you need is jesus. thank you

I highly suggest researching Bible verses in context. I could pull random sentences from a Sunday paper and they would sound just as odd or out of place. In fact, this is a common tactic used by the media to stir up politics (ex: using one-liners from a speech). If you’re going to attempt to prove/disprove something, please sound intelligent about it. If you need a simple research site (noting hebrew/greek translations) use http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html. God bless in your studies.

well this explains it f8ith.com

i like muffins!!!!

the jesus christ in the bible is a jesus christ in a book. in a bunch of them. that’s all the bible is, a book. it’s your interpretation (which i am not saying is wrong and probably half agree with) that is important.

furthermore, the church has always oppressed people: looking at something as simple as gothic architecture can tell you that. it’s a vicious circle, true, but the poor little atheists who are going to hell and don’t agree with you are not necessarily the ones who started the whole thing. just as you can’t blame christians for getting “preachy” you can’t blame non-believers fore getting defensive when there are christians who parade around discounting them for nothing more than a different perspective.

what about genesis 38? number 7 only includes half the weirdness….

sounds like cyrus…. think it worked for him?

furthermore… what about the dead sea scrolls that are not biblical books but the doctrine of the qumran sect stating that they think what’s going on in the temple is heresy? does that help reinforce the “word of god”?

hell of an ironic choice of words, no?

not just creation stories…. look at the gilgamesh epic, because noah isn’t the first man to build an ark per the instructions of god. and utnapishtim got a better reward.

The so-called “Holy Book” is supposed to be inspired by God, and all the images and teachings be inspired by God as well. In this perspective, even if it was war time, there will be no justification for such an image: “dashing children against the rocks”. … even if they were the children of the enemies of the whole world and God included. Those children had NOT reached being responsible for any sin or for any deed. And please don’t come back to me with the insanity of the inheritance of sin for many generations..!!!
If God is Love and justice, then more than 99% of all the so-called “Holy Books” all over the world just get refuted and annihilated .

In order to be a decent and good human being, you don’t need to be ruled, inspired or dominated by any book; no matter holy it is claimed to be.
Think… and feel.. and avoid textual blindness…

What sort of context you are sugesting? What sort of context can justify in any human mind, without a symptom of textual blindness, the images of killings of children and women and animals.. and the images of incest ( father with daughters, brother with sister-in-law, …etc) . There asre thousands of verses in the bible, which makes any christian ashamed of that book when mentioned..
Which context can inspire an image of “smudging your feet in the blood of your enemies, and don’t forget the lot of your dogs licking from it..” is this a Godly image???? or inspiration? no matter what context is there.. ( cruel enemies, who are at last defeated.. and should be severely punished for their deeds…etc..).
Can you give us a clear definition of: ” Godly inspiration”??????

Wow. What an excellent way to get traffic through your website. Good job!

I apologize for the Christian’s on here who have lost their temper. I think it’s cool when we stand up for our savior, but when we start insulting each other’s grammar etc… it’s not so cool. So I’m trying to evade the bad rap.

btw, yes God can microwave a burrito so hot that He couldn’t eat it, and then He could eat it.

(God isn’t just the creator of the world, he’s also the creator of logic…and burritos and temperature)

Look outside friends, it’s pretty obvious that there is intelligent design behind the way everything in this world works. I can’t think of anyway we could be more surrounded with evidence, besides maybe miracles. And miracles do happen, God just doesn’t sport them around to everyone; He wants to see who’s gona be intelligent about it first.

now i want everyone to understand that i was raised a Pastors Kid. My father is now a Seminary professor of Old Testament… I am biased. However I have recently struggled with my faith.. why I beleive what i do. someone asked why God kills children and babies. My answer: why do we? if you will blame God for murder (which it isnt. God commits no sin. He ALLOWS it) look at abortion and euthanasia. where is your excuse?
To Mini’s comment “We have pushed God out of our lives soo much, that maybe he just doesn’t see what he can do anymore with all the disbelief, so he stays quite in the hope that we see the light.” Do you honestly God sits in heaven and thinks, “O crap… I cant make people believe in me any more… I dont know what to do!!!!” God knew that this would happen since eternity before. He is all knowing. We can do NOTHING to foil his plans. You may argue different. but i believe i am right and biblically based.
however all this aside for the end…
There is only one thing that matters that many christians have forgotten. The ONLY thing required for salvation is belief that Jesus died for your sins… Theology doesnt matter beyond that…
this is all based on what i believe personally not because someone told me it was true. I have had my faith tested and it has become much more solid…
So i pray for all of you that you would see the truth… the ONLY Truth.

This is based off of research my father has done in his field..
Travis made this comment: “People (especially most Christians) don’t know where their Bible came from. The Bible wasn’t written to be taken literally (see: Young Earth Creationists), but instead studied alongside the history of the time. The Old Testament is a history book. Look up when each was written, whom it was written to, and the circumstances surrounding the people of Israel at the time.” i want to make something very clear. The Bible is literal. all of it…. in original Hebrew it is literal… it is meant to be taken literally. and the story of creation was written by Moses under direct revelation from God. those are Gods words written by Moses on Sinai. it was already in existence during the babylonian captivity. and to Samwun…. what evidence do u have that archeology hasnt uncovered history… Hezekiahs water tunnels (recorded in II Chronicles) are still around in jerusalem…and please admit that contemporary accounts are very biased against christians.

Mr. Weast…
i hate to inform you you are wrong.. the bible is true and im srry you lost your faith in it… but do not destroy or cut down those who are still strong in the faith.. please

Typical. alot of stupid people. Christians the best you can do is insult people about their grammar with worse grammar.

If god is “Almighty and Perfect” and we are created in the image of god, isn’t that a little bit of a contradiction to say that we aren’t perfect or almighty?

Also, I’ve been working on this argument for awhile:

Benevolent: Dictionary.com describes it as “Someone who wishes to help others”.
Omnipotent: Dictionary.com describes it as “Having limitless power or authority.”

According to the bible God is both benevolent and omnipotent

Is God willing to prevent evil, but unable? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is not benevolent, in fact he is the opposite, malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then why is there evil in the world?
Is he niether able nor willing? Then why call him god?

add me on Yahoo for an answer please, Chop_sueyguy

It just thrills my heart to see Christians standing up for themselves! However, certain Christians seem to misrepresent us. I do apologize, because most people don’t understand that they can get so much more out of being a Christian because we act exactly the same. We cannot “hide it under a bushel.” We should show the world. Also, we should respect each other. Just because we are Christians doesn’t make us ‘better than them.’ Self-righteousness, similar to pride, is a big issue. Now, I would like to discuss some of the things I saw mentioned here (I did not read all of the comments.)

Please understand that I am by no means mocking anyone by the following comments. Please do not make fun of someone’s grammar. Do not ever be derogative. How hypocritical is that? Furthermore, please don’t respond with an ignorant statement, such as “Well…. you’re a dummyhead!” That just won’t work. If I think I am wrong, I will admit it and I expect the same. Now, there has to be some effort on your part. Challenge every word you say.

It is sometimes hard to understand, but our faith in Christianity can be put like this: A small boy sat in the living room with his father. His father told him that the stove was hot and left the room. The boy doesn’t know if the stove is hot. Of course, he walks over and touches it. You could get 497 scientists to tell him how it is not hot, but he knows for a fact that it is hot because he experienced it. Also, there had to be an effort on his part to want to know the truth. I touched the furnace and I know it’s hot! Saying there is no God is like looking at a house and saying, “I wonder if someone built that?” Let me tell you the story of the evolution of the coke can: At the beginning of time, there were some droplets of Coca-cola on the ground. No one created it: it just happened. Then, they began to gather together. Some unknown force caused the droplets to collect. Over time, aluminum crept around the droplets and formed a perfect cylinder. With some more time, the aluminum formed a tab and a small indented circle. Suddenly, white and red paint fell from the sky and formed the letters Coca-cola on the side perfectly! My point is, there had to be a creator. Like the hot stove story, if you know for a fact something is real, no one can convince you otherwise. God does care about children. Do you know why everything happens as it does? Adam and Eve changed our lives with one piece of fruit. Therefore, because of Adam’s sin, it is passed down to everyone forever, except for Jesus. Jesus was the only one perfect enough to die for us. By the way, if anyone is wondering, blood is what covers our sins. Animals used to have to be sacrificed, but because of Jesus’s perfect, sinless, flawless blood, it covers everyone’s sins. God will defeat the evil for you if you are with Him. Job was allowed by God to be tested by Satan. Yes, Satan hurt Job, his family and his cattle. As a result of his resistance to Satan, he recieved more than he had to start with from God. You see, everyone down the line who has defeated the evil in their lives were rewarded and happy, as am I. I am by no means perfect, but I am undergoing sanctification (becoming more like Jesus). Notice I said “more like” Jesus. There’s no way I can ever measure to him!

Has the world been around for billions or even trillions of years? I think not. Do you understand how coal is supposed to take millions and billions of years to form? Well, miners were digging deep in a coal mine, and what were they surprised to find? A live tree! How can something like that still be alive under so much coal? The coal could not have been around for very long. Scientists had a formula for how old the moon was according to how many feet of tiny particles of moon dust were on its surface. They suggested somewhere around 17 feet or so, I think, which would suggest something like 7 billion years. When he landed, he went a few inches down and went clank! Right on the surface of the moon. When he substituted these inches where their 17 was, he received an answer of about 7,000 years! I’m not saying that is acurate, because I don’t even think the age of fossils is accurate. I mean, there is nothing to compare it to. However, it is somewhat realistic. How did the Earth form? I am not convinced that the “Big Bang Theory” is correct. I believe it is God’s work, as dictated in Genesis in the first few chapters. A Christian professor and an Athiast professor were debating on how the world was formed. The Athiast wrote a big, long equation of all the gases and materials that would have to combine. The Christian pointed out at least 1 of those substances that he knew for a fact were not present. The Athiast had nothing to say.

I do thank you for reading. Please feel free to ask me any type of question at either MSN or through hotmail. This is my email, either way:

Evil_Monkeys_in_my_closet@hotmail.com

I would be thankful if you were polite to me and you will receive the same respect in return. Please, I really would be open to explain anything to anyone. I love you.

Psalm 31

I am NOT a minister, but I AM currently studying for my major in theological studies, a minor in biblical studies, and THEN I will go off to seminary for an M.div (Master of Divinity) and ordination as a pastor…

Anyway…

One thing I have come to learn is that although many people will argue the rights and wrongs of The Bible, not many people are as daring to bash the name of Christ as brutally. They will even go as far as saying that God is mean, or uncaring, but Christ somehow slips under the radar and is left unharmed. This can only be proof that Christ is love! In any case, those who bash religion altogether are a certain type of person; I have learned that most of these people simply fear responsibility, or consequence. They feel that if they decide to “believe” then they will be held responsible for their sins, but if they just shake it off and deny any existence of a superior being or power then they can do or say whatever they feel–without consequence. Another thing I have learned is that most individuals who take up the challenge of first reading “The Bible” have only in reality read The New Testament, and in turn become very confused. This is a lot like walking into the theater when the movie is just about over and trying to totally figure out what in the world is going on. The reality of the matter is that one must first read The Old Testament, and in either case must be able to FULLY understand what they are reading. Otherwise they are simply wasting their own time. No book can point out these things, but rather, it takes a watchful eye, a tuned ear, and an open mind. When you are willing to neutrally pay attention to the world around you, it seems to make more sense.

For those who deny Christ, or bash God, or attempt to stray those who do believe from their righteous path; just know that you are still loved by Him who has created you, and has sacrificed himself for you. As long as you are still breathing it is not too late to rethink your negative attitude, but the second you draw your last breath (or the Lord returns–whichever comes first.) and still deny your Lord and Savior, you will be punished for your sins; you WILL stand accountable for your consequences whether you accept that fact, or not. Just as a good parent punishes their child justly, based on severity of crime, and out of love. So too will your Heavenly Father punish you, based on the severity of your sins.

God’s blessings on everyone who crosses here, and may your lives be fruitfully enriched with many blessings. In + Jesus name, Amen.

Actually my pastor preached on the second one.. sorry to burst your bubble lol.

God is both Benevolent and Omnipotent. But if we want Him to be in our life we must accept His rules. we must ask Jesus Christ to be our Lord and Savior. We need to repent (change the way we think) We must believe that God is God and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. If we don’t follow God teaching then when things go wrong in our life we have no right to blame God.

Hi “ThereisnoGod”. I still deem it necessary to capitalize God. I haven’t been a Christian for very long so I don’t claim to be a expert on the subject. In fact, discipleship in itself is a life-long process of learning. It looks as if you’ve been attacked by quite a few people for voicing your opinion. Sorry about that. That does give Christianity a quite awful name. At least, suffice it to say, it appears that you enjoy being attacked..or at least the oppurtunity to retalliate. I think that many people are falling into the ways of attempting to reach out, but perhaps going about it the wrong way and trying to cram the Bible down your throat. Perhaps you have a pre-understanding of the way that Christians think or feel, and that our only goal as Christains is to persuade you to think the same way that they do. I have no wish to do this. That I leave to God. I just want the oppurtunity to tell you that Jesus died for you too! And that he loves you! “OH-no! More Christian garbage!” is probably along the lines of what’s going on inside your mind right about now. Yes. Yes. I used to think that too when I was an agnostic. And isn’t that really what you are? If you were truly an atheist, you’d have no doubts, no convictions that dwell inside. Yes, convictions, and probably a good deal of pain and bitterness as well. You’re obviously intelligent, and you’ve painstakenly examined the Bible, even getting literal translations from the proper Hebrew and Greek…and I commend that. But we are born evil, with evil ways of thinking, which can cloud your judgement. Here’s an experiment for you to attempt, if you’re up to the challenge: If seeing the Bible through your “scientific eyes” has brought about knowledge that can be translated according to your will…how about trying through asking the Holy Spirit to guide you? Ask God? Didn’t Jesus say “Knock, it shall be opened to you?” If he doesn’t exist and you try with all your might to open up to him…if he doesn’t exist then nothing will happen, right? Give it a shot! If you’re saying “Been there done that” I have to ask…Did you really give God a chance? I hope you give it a try! At least think about it…that’s all I ask.

I just wanted to reply to

“Ive also noticed that there is a random number added at the end of like evry fifth sentece what the hell is rong with the world”

it’s the verse number. So that you can tell others where to turn in their bibles so they can follow along.

Cheerio.

Jesus Loves You

okay so i just stumbled onto this page and have no idea how it works, but if “Your Unvle Darnell” see’s this comment… i’d like to talk with you. it seems you’ve been given some twisted answers to serious questions, and i’d like to suggest some better ones. I won’t force anything on you, and i won’t put Christianity up on a throne to be worshipped and not challenged… but i would like to get a chance to let you honestly challenge it and maybe find answers.

god needs to send a few plagues to the world

do you realize how many other religions have virgin births? do you realize how many people have been killed in the name of God? Do you realize cardinals of the pope went around in their respective countries denouncing the benefits of using a condom because they said sex was meant to be natural? Do you realize how many times a medical revolution has been retarded because of stout religious beliefs such as Tim Dwight(president of yale,respected follower of religion)opposed smallpox cure saying it interfered with gods design?Doesnt it seem funny that your reasoning to why god lets people die is that he wants them in a better place yet your still here…makes you think doesnt it?
or how about highly regarded evangelicals pat robertson and jerry fallwell faulting 9/11 of the actions of people? so they think its normal to fault america with the death of 3000 people and the cruelty that spews from the muslim religion insead of actually faulting the people that did it? or how about the christian crusades?the inquisition in spain was partly caused by the forced conversion of muslims and jews to christianity (or they died) and were suspected of not actually doing it and used a pig dinner to sniff out whether they actually believed or not( the pig is forbidden in the old testament,yet its incredibly related to us genetically)and gauged the reaction of the forced convertants? read the book God Is Not Great (how relgion poisons everything) by christopher hitchens. and for the record id rather do the suffering and not watch people suffering from a cozy cloud in heaven.

Spelling is often important in intelligent conversations. If spelling and grammatical correctness is not displayed, oftentimes the reader will dismiss the content on the assumption that someone who does not know the difference between “to” and “too” is highly unlikely to be able to argue intelligently or even be taken seriously.

Historians don’t even debate anymore on whether or not the OT is historically accurate — because it is. It is backed up by Egyptian, Babylonian, Muslim, and even ancient Chinese text, not to mention archaelogical proof. Sure, the OT authors may have construed certain events to make it appear as if G-d had performed a miracle, but the basic content and structure of the stories are accurate.

Phillipians 2:14

Read it; Apply it; and Quit Slamming others for their grammar and beliefs

L M A O! half of you dont have a CLUE what ur arguing against ur just blinded by the world & ur gettin so angry about somethin u apparently dont care about.

the whole spelling thing – GET A GRIP who cares if u spell a few words wrong.

i’m a christian there is an answer 4 everything, i’ve seen miracles God is real, stop being a sheep & see the truth, push the boat out u wont regret it.

Jones out

& 1 more thing… Being gay is WRONG – stick 2 the bible u people r whats wrong with the world

God gave us free will its our fault the world is screwed. if he kept intervening we’d just b robots & thats not y he made us.

How r people so blind, man it hurts my insides

Every religious person is so because of 3 things. Hope, fear and guilt. If you have an ounce of common sense you have to see through the fact that the prospect of “God says this is how you should live and if you don’t listen then you will spend ALL ETERNITY IN SUFFERING and if you do you get ALL ETERNITY IN A PERFECT PARADISE” was invented to manipulate the fellow man. Also, to live by the Bible, you would cut off a woman’s hand without pity if she grabs your nuts to defend her husband. You would have to do so, cause any guy with crushed nuts is not allowed into the assembly of the Lord. Religion rules the world by hope, fear and guilt and if you are stupid enough it rules completely over you. Christianity claims to give you free choice. If you go against the will of God though you go to hell, how is that free choice, it is like me saying “you have the choice to eat all these sandwiches, but if you eat that one over there i will shoot you in the kneecap, but you can if you want”

Maker of this you are great, i have written down all the passages and plan on showing them to my religious friends and religion teachers and the like.

As a father I can understand why God would give man free will to sin. I can also understand why he would allow us to make mistakes. When my children were young I tried to protect them. I taught them to show respect to me. I told them what was good and what was bad. And when I was around they always did what I wanted them to. The thing is, the times when I was the most proud was when they did it because they chose to do it. When I could tell they showed me respect because they respected me and not because they feared my reaction if they didn’t. But to ever see that, they had to have the ability to not show me respect. (which everyone has)

As a husband I can see why he would want us to have free will to love him. This is fairly obvious to me.

Correct! Once again, Proving God is right and Man is wrong!!!!
Read HOW Hemp and Cannabis (2 different plants, btw) were made Illegal-one of the most Racist and Sickening piece of Politics in the USA’s sad History of such.

Anyone Know out there it was DuPont who sponsored the legislation? Hemp had recently been synthesized into Oil, and they were just keeping their Profits Huge. (Historical Fact; check it out)

AND, DuPont was one of the inventors of Napalm! Still think they have YOUR best interests at heart?

Bong Hits 4 Jesus-what a concept! lol

It’s funny-supposedly Churches and Christians are to feed the Hungry and care for the Poor-But what a Sad Joke that is! Just try going to a church when you’ve had something happen!
I’m on a public computer, btw-can’t afford the Net, or even a computer! Had an Emergency, and still can’t get any church to help.
Perhaps Christianity would be more attractive if Churches really practiced what they preached…..

ThereIsNoGod,

You’ve done a lot of research-Good Job! At least you’re not just spouting off w/o thinking-Congrads!

Just out of curiosity, there are True Believers in the Devil as (a?) God. (Satan sounds like the God you are describing as the Christian God-and S. is described as The God of this world)

Does Satan exist? Or are they wrong about Him?

Could he be the God that Hitler followed?

When Jesus left me I felt a terrible lose, and thought the pain I think I grew up. Then, I found another prize… which is conscious reason.
I have read the Bible many times. I know the highest virtue, is love, and yet you find not a trace of that in the book. I find a peevish blend of racist, war, death, violence and reactionary prejudice; but of love, of God’s charity, there is not a trace
The traditional emphasis in religions is to seek to control our behavior by apportioning, you know, punishment or reward in an afterlife. The emphasis of those religions is that this world is the place of sin and evil and that the material world is very inferior to the spiritual world, which is a sort of realm of gas and nonphysical stuff that exists. And we get there after we die. If we’re good, we go to Heaven and we–well, nobody really knows what Heaven’s like, and nobody really knows what Hell’s like…. It seemed to me that people waste so much of their lives waiting for what’s going to happen after they die. And this world is the only world we know or we can be certain of. And it’s a place of the most extraordinary and exquisite beauty and delight. I don’t think angels are superior to human beings. I think angels envy our flesh because our flesh gives us sensations of such delight. They have no heaven on Earth but there so much more. People, they gaze up, imaging happiness and fearing the devil, and their eyes seemed poked out. They don’t see. Not the world, not the flowers, not the trees, not the grass. Because what could possibly be beautiful when heaven is only a miserable life away? They don’t see their birthright, what they can do here in the now. Everyone just seems empty… as if living to die. Religion, in general, is just a very powerful security blanket
Wouldn’t it be better, that instead of having a place somewhere… in sky like heaven. Where we go after we die (which is rather sad) that’s all glorious n’ stuff. I mean wouldn’t it be better if we had a kingdom—no not a kingdom cause’ worshiping the wrong thing leads to trouble—maybe like a republic or something. Where we just live…live in the here, the now. Instead of wasting time worrying about the afterlife. It’d be a great place I think every one could be connected to other people through love and joy and delights in the physical world. And we’d still have all out qualities too (cause who knows what happens when you go to heaven maybe you can’t feel anything)— we’d have our imagination, our intelligence, our thinkers, and artists and love for each other—I mean we’d have to work of those things, to make the world better place, which I think this place sorely need making. And if it happened, if there was republic of heaven on earth—maybe—we wouldn’t need god at all.

Anyone who tries to disprove god with “logic” are themselves illogical. In order for logic to work one must know everything about the thing one is talking about or have some sort of experience and those people have neither. They know nothing about god, they weren’t there when everything was created so any of their theories are thrown out the window AND any comments like what Carl Weast asked “Then why does he still let children and babies die?” even I can answer that, If they are children and babies then he should know that if you do not know what is right or wrong yet YOU GO TO HEAVEN, and that is not at all a bad thing. So please make sure you know about something before insulting it because I know from experience that it will make you look like a jerk and/or a stupid person. And if you disagree with something please be courteous in the way you say it.

My pastor actually preached on number 9.
I can post the link if you would be interested in watching the sermon online…

The Bible’s god is not kind and benevolent by our standards.

He is powerless, indifferent or malevolent — not omnipotent and caring.

In fact, there is no reason to believe such a god exists at all.

Your “truth” is belief. There’s a big difference. Believing something doesn’t make it true.

Try to see how hard it is even for Christians to believe and explain their own religion… how the OT god doesn’t fit with the NT god.

I used to be a born again, Evangelical Christian for many, many years but have rejected that now. I still believe in love, which was Jesus’ main command, but not the fluff. It’s nice. I don’t need to wrack my brain trying to explain what makes no sense anymore. For example:

Psalms 137.9: “Happy shall they be who seize your infants and dashes them against the rocks!”

Just think… There are other options. Don’t just accept whatever you’ve been told. If you need a good, kind, loving god, don’t look in the Bible… particularly not the OT.

Judaism, Islam and Christianity is a pit of vipers… Free your heart and mind of delusion.

Judgment is a good thing. Something most Christians don’t actually do.
They waste their time enlarging their own egos at the expense of those they criticize for no rational reason. Imagine a world where love and forgiveness ACTUALLY took precedence over justice… Scary.

“All Bibles are man made.”

-Thomas A. Edison

Since the 4th century Christians have done more to persecute the world than any religion. The Bible is a book that breeds mental illness. The god of the Bible is borderline–re: Fatal Attraction… “Love me or I’ll torture you forever in Hell.” “I’ll kill my son for you. Will you love me now?” S-C-A-R-Y…

There have been many “gods” that have walked the earth. Jesus isn’t anything new and certainly not the only.

Being raised morally, with moderation, education and discipline did it for you. With out those things I just listed, religion does little…

Mr. Weast no longer believes falsehood. This is good. I’d be curious to hear what approach he lives by now. Zen works best for me.

Many kids (and adults) have had nightmares about hell. Why is god’s “love” so mixed with violence? If we accept his bloody sacrifice, we go to heaven. If reject his “love” we are tormented. Are we REALLY offered a choice in the Bible? “Love me or I’ll torture you!” How could you love ANYONE like that?

“I Am For Whatever It Takes To Help You Make It through The Night.
For some People,It’s Prayer.For Others,It’s Tranquilizers.For Some,It’s A Bottle
of Jack Daniels.
I Beleive That God and Man Should Go It Alone Without The Witch Doctor in The Middle.”-Francis Albert Sinatra.”Old Blue Eyes”.1916-98.
“When I Was A Child;They taught Us In Sunday School that People Who Drank Beer;Smoked Cigarettes and Played Dominoes Would Not Enter Into The Kingdom of Heaven.
If That’s True,I’ve Been Bound For Hell Since I Was Eight Years Old.”-Willie Hugh Nelson.”The Red Headed Stranger”.1933-present.
“You’ll Go To Heaven!!”.
“You’ll Get Candy!!”-Hank Hill and Junie Harper.”Hilloween”.TV’s”King of the Hill”,Oct.1997.

how Logical. You were not very courteus yourself anonymous Christian.

I am not sure what translatioin you used but to respectfully correct you it is LOVE the Lord your God and not believe in the Lord your God even though that is essential its not what the bible says.

. . .what are you talking about Dannt? 0_o

You already said “it’s not gonna happen” so you already closed you mind and heart off. You are not honest in your search. You simply don’t want it to be so.

“heheheh?”

ThereIsnoGod,

There is an explanation for those hundreds of laws. The laws that never die are laws based in the law of love ie. 10 Commandments. The other laws were for managing the nation; socio-economic, legal issues of Israel at the time and for the Levitical priesthood that is now taken over by Christ as our One Priest and Mediator. The Jewish Scriptures said the Messiah will be Priest and King forever.

Honest study of the Scripture, 2/3rds of which is Jewish scriptures, will show that Judaism is the root to Christianity’s tree. Quit talking like all Christians are anti-semitic. The Bible even says they are worth the help, prayers, and protection of Christians. See the organizations “Friends for Israel” or “Samaritan’s Purse.”

Islam is that odd third wheel that uses a lot of the same names and words, but means something entirely different behind them. Judaism anticipates a Messiah, Christianity illustrates the coming of that Messiah, and Muhammed denies that Messiah all together; he tells you to work for something Jesus already payed for. See the picture?

Jesus tells us to watch out for false prophets like Muhammed, who try to cancel out the Gospel.

Islam is quite polar opposite to Orthodox Christianity and Orthodox Judaism. It is also anti-Christ in nature because it impersonates and tries to replace Jesus simultaneously.

–Tazia

Really? What about nazi Germany which claimed atheism/paganism? or atheist/communist China which commits forced abortions and inumerable human rights violations against their own people to this day? Some of the most heinous crimes against humanity in history were committed by such groups.

I think Christianity has problems when people let themselves behave like violent atheists and thought police. When they act like what the Bible calls “the World.” The fleshy, carnal, selfish world.

And you keep talking about the medival European and Roman Church. What about the Israeli Church, the Indian Church, the African Churches? How about the loads of good things the church has contributed to the world? That info can fill libraries.

If you ask me, those particular Europeans just had problems. You can’t tell me it wasn’t more political than religious motivation. You know? Cut-throat politics?

–Taz

Hi Don,

To my understanding,

It helps to think about the nature of its function. What are foreskins for? What benefits come from surgically removing it?

When I was volunteering at the hospital in the birthing center, I ask about that. The Nurses told me that it prevents all kinds of infections.

I think it’s along similar lines to the OT’s mention of Yeast. When you read it, you have to wonder, why the heck does God hate yeast so much? God even said if people at yeast, they would be cut off from the community of Israel. It seems pretty serious.

Think about the nature of yeast. It’s a type of mold, it can send spores flying to spread infection.

Common ground: prevention of infection.

This is why people are told to “circumcise their hearts.”

It’s also how you have to cut out gangrenous or cancerous cells before they spread.

Infection is likened to allowing sin to come in and infect the spirit the way micro-organisms can infect the physical body. It eventually leads to death.

That is why sin is serious to God. Some sin is instant death, others are subtle and insidious to peoples and nations–Domino effects.

Using examples like these before we even had microscopes it pretty ahead of it’s time if you ask me.

Make sense?

–Tazia

I agree. People seem to be building up a lot of charicatures and punching bags of Him here.

Hitler-God? Come on!

I lot of atheists seem to have come from that background. I meet a lot here at college.

Whereas, people who were free to ask and think for themselves in Christian families are a lot less . . . “atheist?”

Are you sure your position is not purely reactionist to the particular treatment you received? I hate raisins because my dad used to force me to eat them. Similar factor.

What about the ones who haven’t insulted grammar?

I agree.

Several things here:
1) The person who put this textarea in made the heinous oversight of setting the background colour to white and not setting a foreground colour (or similar) — was this deliberate? Not cool, white on white.

2) I’ve just finished pissing on some flowers myself actually (reference to an earlier comment) it’s what I do when I’m not writing evil comments.

3) The main thing… Interesting, the number of people who come in and say that the bible is a load of rubbish. Personally, I don’t believe in anything. I don’t know God and I don’t believe in anything we can’t measure. Much of current religious theory seems highly unlikely to me (and most of you have Gods I would not want to be friends with even if they were real) BUT

Count me as an atheist who at least is mature enough to respect it.
I laughed my head off when I read this by the way, but nonetheless, the bible is actually really good reading! Just because a guy reads it doesn’t mean he has to drink wine on Sundays, roll around on the floor making animal noises, or wear silly white frocks or clap and sing or any of those other _weird_ things we all think Christians do…

You Christian dudes, keep it up, don’t listen to people who have obviously never even looked in your holy texts. As long as you don’t tell me that my beliefs are wrong (which none of you do, as a rule) everything is cool… Let’s support each other a bit more instead of shooting at each other so much and we can grow together as friends.

Man that is the gayest thing I ever wrote but how could I resist after reading some of the earlier comments? Silly humans.

4) I’m back because the stupid form sent me to a 404 page when I tried to submit. Really the worst form I have seen in some time.

5) I may not like any of your Gods and I may not see them as real but one thing is for sure and that is this: You can’t keep your mind too open or too closed when you read the bible. Great lost cities are dug up from the mud and sand – Troy being an excellent example – the stuff of legends. So even if the bible is all a lot of Chinese Whispers and misinterpretations (I’m not saying that it is), it still certainly has a lot to offer us. There’s enough there from obviously intelligent authors, that we may hope to learn something of our past from it – and by extension, we then learn about the future.

Consider Pascal’s Wager. I would rather make an informed decision about most things that I do, so no matter what I believe in the end, the point is that I tried to learn as much as I could without harming anyone.

6) Hilarious article once again

6) The only really stupid or evil people are the ones still using Internet Explorer, particularly version 6. Luckily some of us are trying to save these poor lost souls, converting them to religions such as Safari, Opera and Firefox. Internet Explorer is the lowest of the low! Take it from a guy who has to write code that is supposed to work in such a bad browser!

7) Read point 3 from above again. Seriously now. Enjoy the article for its humour.

I may read Tom Clancy too and learasdasd .. I can’t see what I’m typing becuse of the bad form.

I may read a lot of Tom Clancy, doesn’t mean I believe it…
I may read a lot of New Scientist and maybe I learn a lot from it.. That’s not so bad either.

I apologize on behalf of some of the other atheists – the ones who think that reading books makes you crazy. There’s nothing wrong with reading a book.

Pine,

I just cannot pull any punches here. You write from a position of deceit, and your lies betray you. You claim to have come to some sort of revelation based on your experience as a Christian, but that is utter nonsense. You simply recycle the same old arguments of hostile unbelievers.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the sovereign God of justice and righteousness. Men are incapable of understanding His reason and motives:

8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
(Isaiah 55:8-9)

It is a mark of your (sinful) pride that you judge God by your own worldly standards.

And in challenging the truth of God’s word, you reveal your own nature:

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
(Romans 1:20-23)

You have problems with Ps 137:9? Perhaps if you had only read the previous verse, the context would be a bit clearer for you. With some diligence and perseverance you might not have had to turn your back on your faith. But wait, you didn’t have any to turn your back on. Context is an enemy of those who would pervert the scriptures for their own use.

That’s right. Your “many years” as a born again Christian are a sham. I’m truly sorry if you once saw yourself as a Christian, and perhaps it was even painful to realize that you weren’t really. But in fact there is no such thing as someone who “used to be a born again” — by definition, that description doesn’t even make sense. In actuality (if there is any truth to the “many years” spent going to church) you deceived yourself until it became apparent that self deceit was not sustainable. Then you blamed God as being at fault. I don’t know why or how this happened, but I do wonder why it took “many years” for you to come to your senses. Anyway, I think you have never been any different than you are now.

Yes, you’re correct that there are alternatives. You can join the self-styled global love-in where “love” is simply a euphemism for whatever makes you feel good and doesn’t make anyone else feel bad. You can join the universal church of relativistic morality and reject all notions of right and wrong. You can chant the tolerance mantra “all beliefs and lifestyles are equally valid, and all are equally good.” As you correctly pointed out, all of this frees you from “wracking your brain” to grapple with any problems of good and evil. Then, just to make sure you are thoroughly post-modern, you can join in the mockery of Christians and “thumpers” as mindless sheep, ignorantly believing in anachronistic mythology. (And what irony there is in that.) Yes, there are alternatives, and it seems you have chosen most of them.

I appeal to the reader to consider all of this when deciding if “Pine” has any credibility or if there is any value to his/her advice.

It is a well known favorite past time to blame Christians for persecutions in the name of God, but in point of fact there is only one Christian response to those who reject the gospel:

And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. (Matthew 10:14)

If you got any other response than that, you weren’t dealing with a Christian. It’s that simple.

What’s surprising to me is that so many powerful people down through the ages were convinced that being a Christian was such a good thing that they would identify themselves such. And then they would proceed to commit horrible atrocities in the name of a God that they didn’t actually follow. This is probably why the common man wasn’t allowed to see the Word of God… it would have exposed all those false Christians.

On the flipside, what’s never surprising to me is that so many leap to the history of “Christian atrocities” as their reason for rejecting Christianity. Perhaps what they fail to consider is that they effectively dishonor the Christian martyrs who continue to die for the faith right up to the present day.

Many unbelievers even go so far as to say that those who accept the Bible as the inerrant Word of the Sovereign God know nothing of love, and proceed to quote Jesus (usually out of context) as their ideal of moral behavior. This is the ultimate irony, because the hallmark of a true Christian is a love that is unparalleled in the unbelieving world.

I ask the reader to consider these things when trying to discern the truth among the many hostile sentiments heard/read in discussions about Christianity.

If you are intrigued
Then listen to me
I know the answer
To everything.

Your delusions are impressive, sir! Well done.

I’ll be keeping an eye on you, young Thielen. I like how you think.

Your buddy,

Lucifer

I am always amazed when someone points out spelling errors, when the other half of America can’t do math, but no one ever points that out….they say only a mistake was made..is that strange to anybody else?

Slope or m= delta Y over delta X

What does b equal if the Y intercept is 5 and the X intercept is -8 ?

(Use the Slope Intercept formula)

And that’s only 8th Grade Math.

I would dispute your name, JImbo the Heretic. Heretic implies you have some belief, that is simply not the orthodox belief. Your comments indicate you have no belief, let alone unorthodox belief. Therefore, you are not heretic, simply unbeliever.

As a historian, I came to my faith because as I read things, I found it impossible not to believe God created this world. There is far more evidence for Christ than there is for many early texts by famous Greek authors, yet many will try to deny Christ existed. I read John 14:6, and realized that Jesus was either exactly who he said he was, or he was a lunatic. He could not make that statement and be valid as a prophet or good teacher. I have read Josephus and Philo, and other 1st and 2nd century writers, and so, here I make my stand. As Constantine did at the Council of Nicea, I fully accept the Nicene Creed as my statement of faith. I know there have been many wrongs committed in the name of God, every religion is guilty of this. These crimes were committed by humans, and as one verse in the Bible states – “All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.” Even the Pope is only human, and even some popes in the past have grievously erred. I am not any better than any other, I will err again in the future, but I am sure in my knowledge the Christ is my King.

zen works best for me when I have solitude, a garden rake, a Chinese gravel garden, and time to pray to God. By keeping God in my thoughts as I gently rake patterns in the gravel (or sand, depending) I can concentrate of what He has to say to me, instead of me trying to say things to Him that aren’t really important.

The hilarious thing is that I have heard 5 of these topics preached on…
The story of Ehud from Judges I heard in sunday school as a little girl, including the “spilt dirt” part.

In defense however, the passages from Ezekiel are metaphoric, and not literal. It’s a prophecy about how the world will supposedly become.

And though through the years I have come to walk my own non-christian path, I can still respect the views of others. Though I may not agree with something, that does not make it less admirable or invalid. In order to know truth you must be willing to admit that you may be wrong (I say this with equal bearing to both christians and otherwise)

“Judge not lest ye be judged, for the judge waits at the door”

To PCS:

I side with Pine. And I believe that the God we are supposed to believe in as Christians is not the God that is being taught to us from the Bible, etc.

And I actually find it funny that you choose to defend the Bible by spouting forth verses from the Bible itself. That’s like trying to defend Microsoft by reading from the press releases that are written by Microsoft PR agents. Ha ha ha..

You speak of deceit and lies? How could you judge a person and tell him that he’s speaking LIES just because he says something that doesn’t fit in with your own beliefs? How can YOU be so sure that your own beliefs are not the incorrect ones?

God gave us brains, and we are supposed to use them. We should not blindly follow the teachings of ancient popes because it will lead us to more deception and lies than you would ever realize.

To Germ-X…

You said that “Sure, the OT authors may have construed certain events to make it appear as if G-d had performed a miracle, but the basic content and structure of the stories are accurate.”

So if the OT authors had construed certain events TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF GOD HAD PERFORMED A MIRACLE, then the OT would lose all credibility as a history book and gain the reputation as a work of fiction — which it undoubtedly is.

Why did the OT authors have to make it appear as if a miracle had happened in the first place? Because they were creating propaganda in the guise of a holy book.

Hear, hear!!!